My rant on learning and processing

[Plinco]

This is a frustrating topic but I want to get this off my chest.
This is the thread that inspires this rant:

Feel Free To Criticize My Texting Game

I just came back home after dancing for about an hour. I was dancing okay until the last one had so many steps I just started making stuff up to the rhythm and still tried to look like I knew what I was doing. I talked to a handful of random people and had fun, because I had higher emotional...

www.sosuave.net

There's people who think that submission or subordination is a requirement for learning, and that processing information rationally is either not required or inhibits the learning process. This is obviously bull****. If you haven't processed something rationally, it isn't knowledge. Knowledge doesn't come from other people, it comes from reason. Someone had to come up with it to begin with right?

The reason why there's people who want to be told what to do and just accept what's being told to them without critically examination is that they want "knowledge" without having to think for it. It's either unearned trust and or mental laziness.

For those who think of themselves as "authority" figures, they have a sense of pride that isn't rooted in reality. I don't care of that person thinks of themselves as an expert, like having a hundred lay count, or a successful business person, he has no right to expect that people will accept his input without critical examination.

Self-development is by extension learning. Therefore reason is required for self-development, or you can call it growth, or whatever. Subordinating yourself inhibits that process.

You want to be a better man? Stop accepting "authority" figures. Practice using your head on your shoulders. You have a brain so use it.

I'm disappointed at some of the people in the above mentioned thread who tried to gaslight me into thinking I have a problem because I refuse to just accept so called advice without critical examination. This is a problem that has implications that are beyond that thread; the failure to use reason is the root cause of every problem on this planet.

Open debates are effectively a competition or reason (if done properly) and has the potential to speed up the learning and development.

There's people here who think I'm a troll, or that I'm angry, or I have an ego problem, or I'm trying to be "right" etc.

I'm I the one going crazy here? I honestly should probably take a break from this forum. Dealing with some of these people is a distraction for me.

 

[Gamisch]

? Perhaps you take things way too personal?

I don't see what you mean, you posted an entire thread.

We are all just strangers on the internet. Take it all with a grain of salt!

 

[Clockwerk50]

For me, I think this has been blown way out of proportion and I wouldn't take it to heart. Everyone learns through different methods and at different paces, and even though the advice given could work in your situation, at the same time, it might not work as well. It also helps that you are not coming to whine and complain that life is unfair to you while you are taking action to improve, so in retrospect, you are doing what you SHOULD do to improve, which is a good thing. A big part of Stoicism is to focus on what you can control and not waste energy getting caught up in things outside of it, which involves all this drama.

Look, my perspective about learning to talk to women has always been to use other people’s experience and knowledge since it can save you a lot of time and energy, while also helping you improve faster and more efficiently. It’s generally more effective to learn from what others have already figured out than to rely solely on your own trial and error. Sadly, time is always against us.

Nonetheless, it is your life after all and you should live it the way you want it, just for you and not for others.

 

[Doctor Europeo]

No need to rant, brother. Most (if not all) members here are just trying to help.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

This is a frustrating topic but I want to get this off my chest.
This is the thread that inspires this rant:

There's people who think that submission or subordination is a requirement for learning, and that processing information rationally is either not required or inhibits the learning process. This is obviously bull****. If you haven't processed something rationally, it isn't knowledge. Knowledge doesn't come from other people, it comes from reason. Someone had to come up with it to begin with right?

I'm not really understanding what you're saying here or what you are trying to say in general. but i got 0 sleep and just came home from surgery so i'm kinda loopy. can you elaborate?

 

[Gamisch]

I'm not really understanding what you're saying here or what you are trying to say in general. but i got 0 sleep and just came home from surgery so i'm kinda loopy. can you elaborate?

You good?

 

[Gamisch]

Ive read through the thread some more.

Your problem.is you're WAY to emotional. Yiu have to realize that 90% of us ARE an authority somehow some way. We all women-addicted , we al slept with a bunch of women and we all will have a strong opinion.

The trick is to FILTER what's useful and ditch what's not. That's the process of growing (or declining) as a person.

Take a deep breath, separate facts from feelings and act accordingly. At the end of the day its every man for himself! No one will come and save you!

 

[BillyPilgrim]

The 'tism will schism

OP it doesn't hurt to incorporate intuition and other people's perspectives into your info processing.

 

[Plinco]

Man my op was badly written.

It's based on Objectivist epistemology integrated with the bicameral mind concept.

Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Bicameral mentality - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'm passionate about it. It's straightforward, puts you in a lot more control and will change the world. Every problem has it's roots in failing some form of integration. Otherwise the future is practically limitless.

Yes, you're supposed to critically examine information. And to top it off there's a couple of people here who say I have a problem and back it up by calling me names and coughing up fallacies. I was being too nice and too patient with them and I should have spoke my mind sooner.


I really do need to take some time off here. This is a fantastic forum but it's also a distraction for me personally. I actually do have more important things to do. I'll be back and I'll update my cold approach thread. I do appreciate those who have helped or tried to help me and I look forward to some awesome discussions in the future.

 

[eli77]

Ever try getting your g.e.d?

 

[RoadKing_Rabbit]

This is a frustrating topic but I want to get this off my chest.
This is the thread that inspires this rant:

Feel Free To Criticize My Texting Game

I just came back home after dancing for about an hour. I was dancing okay until the last one had so many steps I just started making stuff up to the rhythm and still tried to look like I knew what I was doing. I talked to a handful of random people and had fun, because I had higher emotional...

www.sosuave.net

There's people who think that submission or subordination is a requirement for learning, and that processing information rationally is either not required or inhibits the learning process. This is obviously bull****. If you haven't processed something rationally, it isn't knowledge. Knowledge doesn't come from other people, it comes from reason. Someone had to come up with it to begin with right?

The reason why there's people who want to be told what to do and just accept what's being told to them without critically examination is that they want "knowledge" without having to think for it. It's either unearned trust and or mental laziness.

For those who think of themselves as "authority" figures, they have a sense of pride that isn't rooted in reality. I don't care of that person thinks of themselves as an expert, like having a hundred lay count, or a successful business person, he has no right to expect that people will accept his input without critical examination.

Self-development is by extension learning. Therefore reason is required for self-development, or you can call it growth, or whatever. Subordinating yourself inhibits that process.

You want to be a better man? Stop accepting "authority" figures. Practice using your head on your shoulders. You have a brain so use it.

I'm disappointed at some of the people in the above mentioned thread who tried to gaslight me into thinking I have a problem because I refuse to just accept so called advice without critical examination. This is a problem that has implications that are beyond that thread; the failure to use reason is the root cause of every problem on this planet.

Open debates are effectively a competition or reason (if done properly) and has the potential to speed up the learning and development.

There's people here who think I'm a troll, or that I'm angry, or I have an ego problem, or I'm trying to be "right" etc.

I'm I the one going crazy here? I honestly should probably take a break from this forum. Dealing with some of these people is a distraction for me.

According to the logic here that I see you using the following are possible.

1.) There is no harm in TRYING the advice you get here.

2.) Your reasoning is sound that what works for one may not work for another.

3.) Some things may work better or worse for you.

4.) You may replace an old idea or method with one that you've found suits you better. (THIS ONE HERE is the sole contributor to my successes in becoming a DJ. "I'm not just going to be a jerk." That was NEVER the point. But sometimes trying things out allows you to see what you would be comfortable doing or not doing in a situation. Sometimes telling someone a raw truth is respected while a "nice guy" will see it as mean. Sometimes it is just HONEST and communicates not only what men find attractive, but that you have a standard to be met and is a demonstration of higher value. It shows you're not going to pedestalize and worship her and you're not fast to put up with BS from her. "It's the hair. It's really pretty, why do so many women hate letting it grow longer?" etc...)

Those are just some things that come to mind and you may already see it that way. Good. If not, I don't know what else to say other than I'm fairly certain the others are spot on. Even if that's not what you want to hear. If you're truly applying epistemology to it, why not find out why YOU believe you're not where you want to be? Is it because you're stuck in a open loop feedback process?

So what if you try something you are apprehensive about? Heaven forbid, you may find it fun! You might get good at it! And if it's not quite what you were hoping, you can try less or more of something. It's like calibrating an instrument. Do you just hold a stick and say "I guess this is a foot" and start measuring things? Then you see something shorter than the stick. "Oh crud! Now I've got to carve 12 notches in it! They look spaced evenly!" You're likely not to do that. Or stepping on a scale that has no calibration date or metrology information. How can you be so sure it's weighing things correctly? You won't know whether to add more or take more.

Same thing with ladies. You just have to throw things on the scale and watch the needle move. You have to mix water and pure potassium (DON'T DO THAT btw.) and see what happens! Clorox and brake fluid is also not a good idea. Don't put armor all on a bikes passenger seat then take a passenger without a sissy bar. Apply whatever example you must to get your mojo up. But no matter what, you're not going to figure things out any faster by not testing things for yourself.

I'm having some trouble figuring it out. Am I the only one that doesn't spot the opposing dichotomy here? "I have to try it for myself to see if it works for me" vs "I'm not going to try that." Wait WHAAAT?

 

[BillyPilgrim]

OP just be friendly and casual with these chicks, no need for a routine but when you start to talk about work, since you're in landscaping ask them if "they've had their lawn moved recently" with a pause and a smirk. Try it!

 

[BadBoy89]

Government hates critical thinking, innovation, any challenge to rule or authority.

Just keep learning the same thing that has been learned for years, get a consistent paycheque, give them their 40% share for living in their country, and they are all good.