dj0014
Don Juan
Hey Master of U,
An hour ago I read this: http://www.sosuave.com/articles/rejection.htm
Is this you ?
An hour ago I read this: http://www.sosuave.com/articles/rejection.htm
Is this you ?
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
My challenge to you! (1 day to double your success)
- Thread starter Master of the Universe
- Start date
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Hikapo
Don Juan
I am in!!!!
dj0014
Don Juan
The question is should we ask beautiful girls or ugly ones ?
What if the ugly ones say Yes ? then it's becoming scary
What if the ugly ones say Yes ? then it's becoming scary
I'm in the Mood
Master Don Juan
1) This is great because it will encourage guys to make approaches regardless of the outcome, and it's not an extensive bootcamp either! I think there should be more of these, maybe weekly or monthly DJ exercises to encourage everyone on this board to practice the material.Master of the Universe said:
2) My greatest concern is that my first approach took me more than 2 hours of walking up and down main street, and I finally asked my friends to help push me before I could finally do it. My second approach took me under 5 minutes, but the girl I approached wasn't very good looking as compared with my first approach, where it was a set of two very fine college girls.
3) Any action is more beneficial than inaction. Getting intentionally rejected 10 times is a great way to expand someone's comfort zone in both approaching women and getting rejected by women. Afterwards I'm hoping it will be like:
Approach a woman?? I can do that in my sleep now. I got rejected?? Big fvckin deal, I have balls now.
4) Weekdays are much better for me, any day but Friday really.
Hello, I'm new this board and I sort been a long time lurker. I saw this and want to join in on the fun.Count me in.
1) What do you think? I think this would be great exercise in the right direction for me. I'm person who lack confidence in many aspect in my life and I feel this will help me on that.
2) What are your greatest concerns?Just dealing with the feelings of rejection and keep going after getting rejected by the first or second girl.
3) Do you feel this will be of benefit, or not? And why?I believe this will benefit because it will help me become more outgoing. Hopeful after I be able to have conversations with random girl or people. In order to build confidence you have start somewhere.
1) What do you think? I think this would be great exercise in the right direction for me. I'm person who lack confidence in many aspect in my life and I feel this will help me on that.
2) What are your greatest concerns?Just dealing with the feelings of rejection and keep going after getting rejected by the first or second girl.
3) Do you feel this will be of benefit, or not? And why?I believe this will benefit because it will help me become more outgoing. Hopeful after I be able to have conversations with random girl or people. In order to build confidence you have start somewhere.
"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
Hikapo
Don Juan
1)What do you think?
I think its awesome. Rejection is my biggest fear. THIS NEEDS TO BE FIXED!!
2) What are your greatest concerns?
My mood might be affected by the rejections.
3) Do you feel this will be of benefit, or not? And why?
Of course, not only will it improve my boldness and confidence to walk up to any girl that excites me, I will be able to improve my social skills.
Can you imagine having to strike up a conversation with just about any girl you like? THATS AWESOME!!!
4) What is the best day for us to do this? Remember - all 10 rejections must be gathered in one single day. It cannot be broken up into 2 or more days. I'm thinking we do this Saturday, March 27th, but I am open to suggestions.
I can do it on a school day(from monday through thursday). There are plenty of girls out there that I can get rejected by.
I think its awesome. Rejection is my biggest fear. THIS NEEDS TO BE FIXED!!
2) What are your greatest concerns?
My mood might be affected by the rejections.
3) Do you feel this will be of benefit, or not? And why?
Of course, not only will it improve my boldness and confidence to walk up to any girl that excites me, I will be able to improve my social skills.
Can you imagine having to strike up a conversation with just about any girl you like? THATS AWESOME!!!
4) What is the best day for us to do this? Remember - all 10 rejections must be gathered in one single day. It cannot be broken up into 2 or more days. I'm thinking we do this Saturday, March 27th, but I am open to suggestions.
I can do it on a school day(from monday through thursday). There are plenty of girls out there that I can get rejected by.
YoungSir4sho
Senior Don Juan
I'm about to do this challenge today since it's mad nice out here in NYC...
Master of the Universe
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First of all, my apologies for not posting sooner, but I've been in bed with a bad cold these last few days.
Anyway, gentlemen thank you for all your posts. I didn't expect this much excitement - this is going to be one hell of an event!
I've read all your input and am in the process of creating the final outline of the Approach Challenge. I expect that I will have it up by tomorrow (or by Thursday at the latest).
But to give you a heads up and to prepare yourself, we will be doing this on Saturday, March 27th. So set your schedule!
Now, to reply to some of your comments and questions...
- HolyG,
would going in for a kiss and her turning away or leaving
OR her blowing you out of a set count as a rejection?
Hi HolyG,
Good questions... the short answer is no, simply because neither of these are a true rejection (though it can feel like being rejected). HOWEVER, I like these ideas, and will be incorporating them within the handicaps for Advanced DJs. So thank you for the suggestions!
- Al Moh.
The famous MOTU...
I never hoped to see you post again in my days on this board.
Al Moh., you are too kind. Yeah, I didn't think that I would post again either, but after a five year adventure in LTRs, I'm back! I learned a lot over the last five years, and in the future perhaps I will write up some of the things that I've learned and discovered.
Right now though, it's time to make up for lost time!
-Waking Up,
I'm in. I really have been wanting to do this before, but I just never know what to say to girls other then random witty things in the opener. I guess for this rejection thing I'll go in standard like "Hi my name is x what's yours" or whatever. I need some opener ideas or conversation starters. Also how soon do you guys ask for the # and get rejected after the opener, few minutes? Right away? Does it matter?
I'll have more detailed instructions in the actual challenge thread with details on all this.
-Parad0x,
How does it work though, do you game a girl like normal and try to number close? Do goofy lines and try to go for the number? Go right away for the number?
That depends on whether you do the Beginner, Intermediate, or Advanced version. I'll have more details on this later.
-dj0014,
Hey Master of U,
An hour ago I read this: http://www.sosuave.com/articles/rejection.htm
Is this you ?
No, it's not me, but that was an excellent article and very similar to my experience. Thank you for sharing, this only confirms what I've always believed, that getting rejected 10 times in one day was not only a life-changing event for me, but for others who have also done it.
-dj0014,
The question is should we ask beautiful girls or ugly ones ?
What if the ugly ones say Yes ? then it's becoming scary
I think you might be putting the cart before the horse. Don't worry about things like this, they somehow have the tendency to resolve themselves.
Well gentlemen, once again, thank you. I'll be posting all the details on the final challenge shortly!
MotU
Anyway, gentlemen thank you for all your posts. I didn't expect this much excitement - this is going to be one hell of an event!
I've read all your input and am in the process of creating the final outline of the Approach Challenge. I expect that I will have it up by tomorrow (or by Thursday at the latest).
But to give you a heads up and to prepare yourself, we will be doing this on Saturday, March 27th. So set your schedule!
Now, to reply to some of your comments and questions...
- HolyG,
would going in for a kiss and her turning away or leaving
OR her blowing you out of a set count as a rejection?
Hi HolyG,
Good questions... the short answer is no, simply because neither of these are a true rejection (though it can feel like being rejected). HOWEVER, I like these ideas, and will be incorporating them within the handicaps for Advanced DJs. So thank you for the suggestions!
- Al Moh.
The famous MOTU...
I never hoped to see you post again in my days on this board.
Al Moh., you are too kind. Yeah, I didn't think that I would post again either, but after a five year adventure in LTRs, I'm back! I learned a lot over the last five years, and in the future perhaps I will write up some of the things that I've learned and discovered.
Right now though, it's time to make up for lost time!
-Waking Up,
I'm in. I really have been wanting to do this before, but I just never know what to say to girls other then random witty things in the opener. I guess for this rejection thing I'll go in standard like "Hi my name is x what's yours" or whatever. I need some opener ideas or conversation starters. Also how soon do you guys ask for the # and get rejected after the opener, few minutes? Right away? Does it matter?
I'll have more detailed instructions in the actual challenge thread with details on all this.
-Parad0x,
How does it work though, do you game a girl like normal and try to number close? Do goofy lines and try to go for the number? Go right away for the number?
That depends on whether you do the Beginner, Intermediate, or Advanced version. I'll have more details on this later.
-dj0014,
Hey Master of U,
An hour ago I read this: http://www.sosuave.com/articles/rejection.htm
Is this you ?
No, it's not me, but that was an excellent article and very similar to my experience. Thank you for sharing, this only confirms what I've always believed, that getting rejected 10 times in one day was not only a life-changing event for me, but for others who have also done it.
-dj0014,
The question is should we ask beautiful girls or ugly ones ?
What if the ugly ones say Yes ? then it's becoming scary
I think you might be putting the cart before the horse. Don't worry about things like this, they somehow have the tendency to resolve themselves.
Well gentlemen, once again, thank you. I'll be posting all the details on the final challenge shortly!
MotU
killahpl
Don Juan
I'm in regardless of what it is...I'm feelin' really low due to how crappy I am with women
Beginner level for me though, most likely...
Beginner level for me though, most likely...
TriniBoySmooth
Don Juan
Let's do it! I'm in
"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
masterpiece
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Im in, have learnt alot already in the last month by using this site and my game has improved, im interested in this challange.
BlackMos17
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I decided to no longer lurk, like I have been since December, I've been steadily improving myself and becoming a better guy in general but still have a ways to go. Special shoutout to: Pook, MoTU, AntiDump, bondjamesbond, and last but not least; Senor Fingers for all the great posts.
1)What do you think?
I think this is the exact kinda challenge I need to get over the hump. I think it will change my life.
2) What are your greatest concerns?
That I might not be able to find 10 girls that I would wanna ask.
3) Do you feel this will be of benefit, or not? And why?
Hell yes it will benefit. I accept the challenge, whether I strike out or not, its a win win situation in the long run.
4) What is the best day for us to do this? Remember - all 10 rejections must be gathered in one single day. It cannot be broken up into 2 or more days. I'm thinking we do this Saturday, March 27th, but I am open to suggestions.
Ill probably do it this Friday. If not Saturday.
I'm in.
1)What do you think?
I think this is the exact kinda challenge I need to get over the hump. I think it will change my life.
2) What are your greatest concerns?
That I might not be able to find 10 girls that I would wanna ask.
3) Do you feel this will be of benefit, or not? And why?
Hell yes it will benefit. I accept the challenge, whether I strike out or not, its a win win situation in the long run.
4) What is the best day for us to do this? Remember - all 10 rejections must be gathered in one single day. It cannot be broken up into 2 or more days. I'm thinking we do this Saturday, March 27th, but I am open to suggestions.
Ill probably do it this Friday. If not Saturday.
I'm in.
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Nino-Tk
Master Don Juan
im in..so whats the deal nor?
FireOnTheMountain
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It's going down on Saturday, correct? Two days to go.
Let's see the rules
Since I don't wanna make a whole post about it, I'm gonna thread jack just a bit. 2 months out of a 3.666 year relationship. Rollo was right about not moving in with a chick you do not plan to marry in 6 months. Also, never ever move into Her place. The humor and romance and eventually sex went poof. I've just finished contacting all the girls still in my town that I was ever interested in, dated a couple, no luck. Should have reread my comment sooner about how if you know a chick too long it looks like a desperate maneuver. So, I gotta meet some new ladies and first I gotta work on that all important confidence factor. Not too confident these days, older, slightly balding, the effects of smoking for a long time, career in limbo. Obviously need to start a health routine and figure out my career situation, but I'll post that elsewhere. I don't think I should wait on any one item on the checklist to start the others.
To the questions:
1) What do you think?
Sounds almost too easy. It's probably fair to say i'm back at a beginner level though, so I'll start with that.
2) What are your greatest concerns?
As always, I'm not concerned with what the girl thinks, but the surrounding people and unforeseen ripple effects. I'm great one on one but not good with groups. Perhaps another challenge could be to get rejected by 10 groups? haha.
3) Do you feel this will be of benefit, or not? And why?
I think it will be a great kick start and perhaps get me over some silly fears and build some confidence. The only way to build confidence is competency through action.
Since I don't wanna make a whole post about it, I'm gonna thread jack just a bit. 2 months out of a 3.666 year relationship. Rollo was right about not moving in with a chick you do not plan to marry in 6 months. Also, never ever move into Her place. The humor and romance and eventually sex went poof. I've just finished contacting all the girls still in my town that I was ever interested in, dated a couple, no luck. Should have reread my comment sooner about how if you know a chick too long it looks like a desperate maneuver. So, I gotta meet some new ladies and first I gotta work on that all important confidence factor. Not too confident these days, older, slightly balding, the effects of smoking for a long time, career in limbo. Obviously need to start a health routine and figure out my career situation, but I'll post that elsewhere. I don't think I should wait on any one item on the checklist to start the others.
To the questions:
1) What do you think?
Sounds almost too easy. It's probably fair to say i'm back at a beginner level though, so I'll start with that.
2) What are your greatest concerns?
As always, I'm not concerned with what the girl thinks, but the surrounding people and unforeseen ripple effects. I'm great one on one but not good with groups. Perhaps another challenge could be to get rejected by 10 groups? haha.
3) Do you feel this will be of benefit, or not? And why?
I think it will be a great kick start and perhaps get me over some silly fears and build some confidence. The only way to build confidence is competency through action.
i don't think it'll help me that much. going through my phone today i realize i have way too many numbers and girls with names like kylie that i wish i remembered and it makes me wonder what the hell am i doing wrong? although not in all cases, most of the time i'll get the number and start over thinking, over planning, fearing the call because of the feeling that i'm not ready. all this causes hesitation.
the very fact that you're asking us for our opinions about it shows a bit of a lack of confidence in the program. a way better challenge and an even better confidence builder is if you had everyone actually try and end up getting the number.
1.) it puts them in the mind-frame to succeed, which increases the chance of success, builds calibration/understanding
2.) failure is then seen as opportunity to prove yourself more and work on game, not as an actual "rejection" (which was the main goal)
3.) it's basically the same game, except you get to reap the rewards of the possibility in the end
4.) it gets rid of approach anxiety more effectively
your idea has some truth behind it though, we succeed because we fail. yes but we don't want to purposely fail do we? that's like me turning on super mario and walking straight into the turtles 10 times. what are we going to learn from that? what we want to do is to be able to get to that last level and about to beat that boss but then the power shuts off and all your data is lost but be glad we went through it.
i think a great way to play the game is to put yourself in very difficult situations instead for example instead of planning to take her to your dorm when nobody is there, try sexing her when your roommate is on your top bunk awake playing video games while your best friend is sleeping next to you. No, not because it'll be some pimp **** but because it'll sharpen the brain (no sex pun intended). a challenge is crucial for a successful seduction. i noticed that even my AFC friend had this knowledge in front of him but he did not fully have the proper understanding on how to utilize it, he played up his weakness quite well telling her after she was pretty that he himself was very ugly (causing her to laugh). bringing up that her mom strongly disliked him and would inevitably cause problems. what brought his fate was his actual belief of his false disqualifications. he thought the fact that she went to a good college and he wasn't doing jack **** with his life disqualified him and he ended up turning into a little wuss boy telling her that she was his happy vitamin, driving miles and miles to see her everyday, he constantly would rant and rave about all his misfortunes of her mother not liking him and the fact that she was "smarter". My friend and I would do everything to convince him of what was still possible but he had a very hard time believing it which depresses me as i type this... i'd hate to have to quote a book that i haven't finished reading yet but it is by the author of the beloved "art of seduction" so it must not be of little value to us, "learn how to turn **** into sugar"
the very fact that you're asking us for our opinions about it shows a bit of a lack of confidence in the program. a way better challenge and an even better confidence builder is if you had everyone actually try and end up getting the number.
1.) it puts them in the mind-frame to succeed, which increases the chance of success, builds calibration/understanding
2.) failure is then seen as opportunity to prove yourself more and work on game, not as an actual "rejection" (which was the main goal)
3.) it's basically the same game, except you get to reap the rewards of the possibility in the end
4.) it gets rid of approach anxiety more effectively
your idea has some truth behind it though, we succeed because we fail. yes but we don't want to purposely fail do we? that's like me turning on super mario and walking straight into the turtles 10 times. what are we going to learn from that? what we want to do is to be able to get to that last level and about to beat that boss but then the power shuts off and all your data is lost but be glad we went through it.
i think a great way to play the game is to put yourself in very difficult situations instead for example instead of planning to take her to your dorm when nobody is there, try sexing her when your roommate is on your top bunk awake playing video games while your best friend is sleeping next to you. No, not because it'll be some pimp **** but because it'll sharpen the brain (no sex pun intended). a challenge is crucial for a successful seduction. i noticed that even my AFC friend had this knowledge in front of him but he did not fully have the proper understanding on how to utilize it, he played up his weakness quite well telling her after she was pretty that he himself was very ugly (causing her to laugh). bringing up that her mom strongly disliked him and would inevitably cause problems. what brought his fate was his actual belief of his false disqualifications. he thought the fact that she went to a good college and he wasn't doing jack **** with his life disqualified him and he ended up turning into a little wuss boy telling her that she was his happy vitamin, driving miles and miles to see her everyday, he constantly would rant and rave about all his misfortunes of her mother not liking him and the fact that she was "smarter". My friend and I would do everything to convince him of what was still possible but he had a very hard time believing it which depresses me as i type this... i'd hate to have to quote a book that i haven't finished reading yet but it is by the author of the beloved "art of seduction" so it must not be of little value to us, "learn how to turn **** into sugar"
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.