Men are your competition, not your friends.

[mrgoodstuff]

I do

And if they don't drop em

 

[Francis]

Lots of men say this but few live up to it in reality.

I had a friend who used to say it, but what he meant was bros before hos for everyone except him. Some people just have to win at all costs, even if no one else is playing or gives a ****.

 

[zekko]

I've always felt a competitive rivalry with even my closest friends. It's the nature of testosterone and male friendship IMO.

This is what makes women so comforting to be around, and why they can potentially damage you so much. A man and woman are not in competition with each other, not naturally anyway. Ideally, each can be at his/her full potential without stepping on the other one. But swords need to be sharpened by hard stone or other metals, so that's why men need to have male friendships as well. Being around women constantly is a bit like lying on a cushion all day.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Just calling out anyone that agrees with op and spews the social game is king bull shvt is a complete hypocrite

 

[SW15]

Im talking about guys you meet in the party and pick up scene.

This is an important distinction that @LucianoM makes. If you meet men as your friends outside party and pickup, you might have actual friends.

If a man gets into his 30s being some combination of unattached or in relationships that last 2 years or less, he will turn into a lone wolf. His married friends (the majority) and/or friends with long term girlfriends will fade away from his life for the most part.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

This is an important distinction that @LucianoM makes. If you meet men as your friends outside party and pickup, you might have actual friends.

If a man gets into his 30s being some combination of unattached or in relationships that last 2 years or less, he will turn into a lone wolf. His married friends (the majority) and/or friends with long term girlfriends will fade away from his life for the most part.

disagree, I’ve seen friendships ended over pvssy plenty of times. There’s very few guys you can trust regarding women.

 

[SW15]

disagree, I’ve seen friendships ended over pvssy plenty of times. There’s very few guys you can trust regarding women.

I used the word "might". That's why I used the word "might". I have also seen friendships end over pusssy.

 

[andreihaha]

Im talking about guys you meet in the party and pick up scene. They are nothing more than competitors, dont ever think they're your friends. Sure you might meet a cool wing here and there, and he may genuinely want to see you succeed but once you start doing better than him you'll see him flip on you. Happens every time. You need to learn how to ride solo and pull girls on your own. You need to learn how to entertain multiple girls on your own. A lion doesnt rule his pride with his "friends", its just him and his girls. You need to be the same way. I deleted every mf'r from my phone because guys are faker than females and theyre completely useless to me. Just focus on you and your girls and thats it!

Men are competition? In dating, yeah. In life, no.
If you only see game in your life, when you loose at "game", you'll feel like you lost your whole life. Which is ridiculous.

That being said, I never started a conversation with a guy in a bar/club situation. Never seen the point in that.

 

[Velasco]

I never started a conversation with a guy in a bar/club situation. Never seen the point in that

I actually have a good example of this and the OP's message that guys are your competition because it happened this past weekend.

There was this chick I saw sitting outside a bar smoking a cig. There was this guy trying to pick her up and I noticed it was a guy I had talked to earlier. Him and his buddy were wasted as fvck (the stereotypical guy, guys who advice against drinking, point to as an example of why you shouldn't drink). We were just shooting the sh1t because there weren't any dtf girls at this venue we were at. So seeing that I was a recognizable face, he greeted me as I approached him and the girl smoking the cig. I then started talking with the chick. Asking for a cig. The guy gave me a lighter. Suddenly there was a group of 4 guys who also came out of the same club I was at. They I could see were high energy and trying to take the girl with them. I didn't even acknowledge them. Just smoked my cig. Then when I noticed my I needed to re-light my cig, I leaned down and got face to face with smoking girl and lit my cig off her bud while it was in her mouth. I think I also said something to her so only she could hear then smiled. The 4 guys's Uber had arrived and then they said we should come with them. I didn't care and just took my girl by the hand and started walking the other way with her to hail down a cab then fvck her.

So you see? The original first guy who was drunk as fvck was not my friend. He made a mistake thinking so. And the group of 4 we're not my friends. They would end up screwing me over and running a train on the chick had I gone with them. How it is.

 

[Mike32ct]

I’m not a big fan of wingmen in general. Two guys simultaneously hitting it off with two girls is much more difficult to pull off in real life than it appears on TV.

Odds are not favorable that both couples will have mutual attractions.

Lone wolf is recommended.

 

[darksprezzatura]

Eagles fly above and eagles fly alone.

That being said, surrounding myself with people who are grinding and hustling, learning and growing has served me.

Who said competitors can't be friends.

No successful person did everything alone, we need a team.

For me a friend is a person who can help me grow. Disregard everything else.

 

[Francis]

Is that guy successful in life?

I've long since defriended him, but most likely not. At the time he was your typical street person. Kicked out of his house at an early age, no real family, in and out of jail, had no real intelligence or personality. Definitely didn't accomplish anything. He wasn't a hardass – just an immature douchebag who thought he was cool and tough. Looked like Fred Durst in terms of style.

Like many people from that scene, he was a pretender who bragged about how awesome and successful he was – only to tear down and compete against anyone who actually was any of the things he claimed about himself. lol. Although he did get some women, I never seen him attract anyone higher than a 6.

Before I had any experience about the world and put myself out there for the first time, I told him I was a virgin. So he told all the girls that I was, in hopes of diminishing my success at every opportunity. When he found out that the girls didn't care and some even liked it, he started telling them that HE was a virgin to improve his own chances. Only it wasn't as successful because they didn't like him.

These are the kind of people that exist in the pickup scene. A lot of two-faced trash looking to gain by any means. Jealousy and competition is high. Many of them are opportunists and hustlers by nature.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I've always felt a competitive rivalry with even my closest friends. It's the nature of testosterone and male friendship IMO.

This is what makes women so comforting to be around, and why they can potentially damage you so much. A man and woman are not in competition with each other, not naturally anyway. Ideally, each can be at his/her full potential without stepping on the other one. But swords need to be sharpened by hard stone or other metals, so that's why men need to have male friendships as well. Being around women constantly is a bit like lying on a cushion all day.

Feminist controlling women is like being on a cushion?

 

[zekko]

Feminist controlling women is like being on a cushion?

I would think not. Pin cushion maybe. Honestly, I wouldn't know that much about it. I don't run into that many feminist types, and if I do I certainly don't hang around with them.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I would think not. Pin cushion maybe. Honestly, I wouldn't know that much about it. I don't run into that many feminist types, and if I do I certainly don't hang around with them.

In some areas its the majority. In an interaction with a man they want to be as abrasive and belittling as possible.

 

[forcerecon01]

In some areas its the majority. In an interaction with a man they want to be as abrasive and belittling as possible.

so true

 

[forcerecon01]

Im talking about guys you meet in the party and pick up scene. They are nothing more than competitors, dont ever think they're your friends. Sure you might meet a cool wing here and there, and he may genuinely want to see you succeed but once you start doing better than him you'll see him flip on you. Happens every time. You need to learn how to ride solo and pull girls on your own. You need to learn how to entertain multiple girls on your own. A lion doesnt rule his pride with his "friends", its just him and his girls. You need to be the same way. I deleted every mf'r from my phone because guys are faker than females and theyre completely useless to me. Just focus on you and your girls and thats it!

thats our reality

 

[Francis]

Did you fvck any of these girls?

No, I attracted better looking girls and no one I was hanging around with at that time liked it, since they all ranked high in narcissism. That was a big eye opener that I didn't need other people and most were out for themselves. He even said in a later conversation that all they (the clique at the time) were trying to do was get me laid. lol.

The first girl I had sex with I told I was a virgin and she said that was hot. As did others previously. A lot of them didn't believe it and thought it was a setup to get laid. But it didn't take long to bang her. She initiated everything from the beginning and I was pretty burned out from all the phonies and BS going on at the time, that I had no energy anyway. All I did was tell her she forgot her coat at the club and I gave it to the manager or whoever to hold on to it.

Missed a whole lot of opportunities at the time though for sure. People can most definitely hold you back if you let them.

 

[RangerMIke]

Your only competition is YOU. I completely disagree that other men are your competition when it comes to women. This assumes that if two or more men are competing for a woman, that someone is going to 'win'. That is complete BS, and I will tell you why....

EVERYTHING STARTS WITH THE WOMAN.... she either wants you or she doesn't. No amount of dancing around like a grinder monkey begging for coins is going to change this. So if you have a bunch of dudes at a club hitting on a chick what they are actually doing isn't really that important, because if she doesn't want any of them... none of them will get her.

Anyway... really men should start thinking of themselves as the prize, not that the woman is a 'prize' after successful completion of a competition. If you have to win a woman by being the best dancing grinder monkey... well then you better like being a dancing grinder monkey because that is what you will have to keep doing to keep her.