Why "Whatever You Want" Keeps You Single

She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.

You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.

The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.

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MASF vs Sosuave

wolfie

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How many here think that MASF is all about learning a bunch of canned routines to trick women into having sex? I seem to read quite a few posts where the general opinion is
1. ASF is where you learn to be fake, to get sex through manipulation, trickery and putting on a facade
2. Sosuave is about genuine self improvement and becoming a better person

Can anyone who holds to this idea explain to me what convinces them of it?
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Bradshaw

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I love mASF.

The people who think that #1 on your list is true only read TFM (the fornication manual) and believe that everyone follows it religiously. formhandle is working on version 2.0 (it has been delayed for quite some time), and it is supposed to be much more relevant.

TFM on that site is YEARS old, and damn near everyone on that board agrees is not of much use compared to the information that they use today.

For those of you who find getting information difficult from mASF, I suggest checking out www.bristollair.com

It organizes the best of the best from mASF.
 

Blue Phoenix

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Originally posted by Bradshaw
I love mASF.

The people who think that #1 on your list is true only read TFM (the fornication manual) and believe that everyone follows it religiously. formhandle is working on version 2.0 (it has been delayed for quite some time), and it is supposed to be much more relevant.

TFM on that site is YEARS old, and damn near everyone on that board agrees is not of much use compared to the information that they use today.

For those of you who find getting information difficult from mASF, I suggest checking out www.bristollair.com

It organizes the best of the best from mASF.
MASF is too messy! I get lost there. If it had a similar format like Sosuave it would be much better. I see a lot of potential there, but it's difficult to use their web site.
 

Bradshaw

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Originally posted by Blue Phoenix
MASF is too messy! I get lost there. If it had a similar format like Sosuave it would be much better. I see a lot of potential there, but it's difficult to use their web site.
I am convinced that formhandle makes it hard to navigate on purpose - to discourage those who are not comletely determined to get the info.

Also, it is not a very 'beginner friendly' board.
 

Blue Phoenix

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Originally posted by Bradshaw
I am convinced that formhandle makes it hard to navigate on purpose - to discourage those who are not comletely determined to get the info.

Also, it is not a very 'beginner friendly' board.
Maybe It's an excuse from some lazy web designers.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Don_Marko

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MASF is much more oriented to developing social skill with women, also known as The Game. Where as this site is more focused on you becoming an all around cool mofo.


I detest the accusation made at the beging of the thread about MASF. Just because people observe a pattern of certain phenomena in the field (as opposed to guys who barely go out) and find ways to manipulate the situation to their advantage, it does NOT make them fake nor manipulative as you accuse them, if you knew exacly what to say to a really hot woman to make her want have sex with you... would you do it Mr. Nice Guy?
 

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Originally posted by 007~JC
It all depends what you're goals are.

The way I like to think of it is... (Regarding getting girls)

Short term a DJ is no match for a PUA.
Long term a PUA is no match for a DJ.

I prefer to be both.

- 007 ~ JC :cool:
Thats a great way of thinking about it. Personally Masf, and Mystery's Lounge are where I like posting most when Im in Sarging mode, but when Im in a relationship I post here.
 

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Originally posted by Bradshaw
I am convinced that formhandle makes it hard to navigate on purpose - to discourage those who are not comletely determined to get the info.

Also, it is not a very 'beginner friendly' board.
Interesting... so bad web design is an art?

The web design just goes to show the mentality of many a PUA... they have a whole heap of information but they don't always know how best to use that information... sometimes what's important is not what is being said but how it is said... the PUA success rate is simply due to practise... it's a numbers game...
 

So pimp its scary

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The reason why ASF is not as beginner friendly is just that they have more information laid out in the tutorial section... I mean, we're talking a full FAQ and everything as near mandatory reading before posting... and the warnings of flames for not going over the information.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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DjDreamer

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http://www.pickupguide.com/layguide/index.html

Now that's a lot of info...

I can see why masf isn't beginner friendly... one would have to be a real clueless bafoon to complain about not knowing what to do when the player guide seems timeless...

But...

It doesn't leave much room for the development of a unique personality...

One size does not always fit all...
 

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I read mASF all the time, though it can be sometimes tedious due to the layout.

Though I haven't posted on SoSuave in a long time, but I plan to start being a regular, I like the layout better. Plus the general atmosphere isn't as hostile toward n00bs.
 
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