"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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MASF vs Sosuave

wolfie

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How many here think that MASF is all about learning a bunch of canned routines to trick women into having sex? I seem to read quite a few posts where the general opinion is
1. ASF is where you learn to be fake, to get sex through manipulation, trickery and putting on a facade
2. Sosuave is about genuine self improvement and becoming a better person

Can anyone who holds to this idea explain to me what convinces them of it?
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Bradshaw

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I love mASF.

The people who think that #1 on your list is true only read TFM (the fornication manual) and believe that everyone follows it religiously. formhandle is working on version 2.0 (it has been delayed for quite some time), and it is supposed to be much more relevant.

TFM on that site is YEARS old, and damn near everyone on that board agrees is not of much use compared to the information that they use today.

For those of you who find getting information difficult from mASF, I suggest checking out www.bristollair.com

It organizes the best of the best from mASF.
 

Blue Phoenix

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Originally posted by Bradshaw
I love mASF.

The people who think that #1 on your list is true only read TFM (the fornication manual) and believe that everyone follows it religiously. formhandle is working on version 2.0 (it has been delayed for quite some time), and it is supposed to be much more relevant.

TFM on that site is YEARS old, and damn near everyone on that board agrees is not of much use compared to the information that they use today.

For those of you who find getting information difficult from mASF, I suggest checking out www.bristollair.com

It organizes the best of the best from mASF.
MASF is too messy! I get lost there. If it had a similar format like Sosuave it would be much better. I see a lot of potential there, but it's difficult to use their web site.
 

Bradshaw

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Originally posted by Blue Phoenix
MASF is too messy! I get lost there. If it had a similar format like Sosuave it would be much better. I see a lot of potential there, but it's difficult to use their web site.
I am convinced that formhandle makes it hard to navigate on purpose - to discourage those who are not comletely determined to get the info.

Also, it is not a very 'beginner friendly' board.
 

Blue Phoenix

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Originally posted by Bradshaw
I am convinced that formhandle makes it hard to navigate on purpose - to discourage those who are not comletely determined to get the info.

Also, it is not a very 'beginner friendly' board.
Maybe It's an excuse from some lazy web designers.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Don_Marko

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MASF is much more oriented to developing social skill with women, also known as The Game. Where as this site is more focused on you becoming an all around cool mofo.


I detest the accusation made at the beging of the thread about MASF. Just because people observe a pattern of certain phenomena in the field (as opposed to guys who barely go out) and find ways to manipulate the situation to their advantage, it does NOT make them fake nor manipulative as you accuse them, if you knew exacly what to say to a really hot woman to make her want have sex with you... would you do it Mr. Nice Guy?
 

Smooth Player 056

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Originally posted by 007~JC
It all depends what you're goals are.

The way I like to think of it is... (Regarding getting girls)

Short term a DJ is no match for a PUA.
Long term a PUA is no match for a DJ.

I prefer to be both.

- 007 ~ JC :cool:
Thats a great way of thinking about it. Personally Masf, and Mystery's Lounge are where I like posting most when Im in Sarging mode, but when Im in a relationship I post here.
 

DjDreamer

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Originally posted by Bradshaw
I am convinced that formhandle makes it hard to navigate on purpose - to discourage those who are not comletely determined to get the info.

Also, it is not a very 'beginner friendly' board.
Interesting... so bad web design is an art?

The web design just goes to show the mentality of many a PUA... they have a whole heap of information but they don't always know how best to use that information... sometimes what's important is not what is being said but how it is said... the PUA success rate is simply due to practise... it's a numbers game...
 

So pimp its scary

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The reason why ASF is not as beginner friendly is just that they have more information laid out in the tutorial section... I mean, we're talking a full FAQ and everything as near mandatory reading before posting... and the warnings of flames for not going over the information.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

Read more...

DjDreamer

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http://www.pickupguide.com/layguide/index.html

Now that's a lot of info...

I can see why masf isn't beginner friendly... one would have to be a real clueless bafoon to complain about not knowing what to do when the player guide seems timeless...

But...

It doesn't leave much room for the development of a unique personality...

One size does not always fit all...
 

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I read mASF all the time, though it can be sometimes tedious due to the layout.

Though I haven't posted on SoSuave in a long time, but I plan to start being a regular, I like the layout better. Plus the general atmosphere isn't as hostile toward n00bs.
 
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