"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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There is a quote / saying that I have found to be a truism of life.. in life, one must chose between boredom and suffering. at the end of the day, yeah i got a little money, but i'm just not happy anymore at home. i'm bored as ****. you have sex with the same woman, eat the same ****, watch the same ****, ***** about the same ****, listen to someone ***** about the same ****. maria and i are great. will it work **** it i dont' know. but i'm willing to risk suffering a little, to end the boredom.
A lot of us understand the boredom you’re talking about. Just be aware that the same thing will eventually happen in any monogamous relationship.

And again, do the right thing by your kids. In the long run, you will never regret it.

Also, check out Blackdragon’s blog. He analyzes and discusses non monogamous relationships quite frequently.

-Augustus-
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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My kids are my life man. These little rugrats had me at hello lol. with that said, me sititng at home ****less watching their momma run over me because i stopped giving a **** about the marriage and life in general is not the example i want to set.

i grew up in a house where my parents turned out divorced. i saw my dad everyday, i turned out okay. they'll be fine.
 

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There is a quote / saying that I have found to be a truism of life.. in life, one must chose between boredom and suffering. at the end of the day, yeah i got a little money, but i'm just not happy anymore at home. i'm bored as ****. you have sex with the same woman, eat the same ****, watch the same ****, ***** about the same ****, listen to someone ***** about the same ****. maria and i are great. will it work **** it i dont' know. but i'm willing to risk suffering a little, to end the boredom.
and why would it be any different with this new chick? you know, the new car smell eventually wears off right? and then you will feel the same way about her that you do your current wife. honestly, seems to me you have it too good, forgot where you came from. and what if you have kids with this new woman? money only goes so far, you don't have an infinite amount, no matter how successful you are. then you're on to the next one. cheaper to just date them, not marry, move in with and/or have kids with.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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And that is the really bad part of it. Here is somone that is on this Forum for 15years and knows it all. This is no newbee. I can not believe this.
Emotions are stronger than rationality
 

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I have to say, I have the utmost respect for BB. When I first came here, many years ago, I found all his posts very enlightening. I feel like I learned a lot from BB's post over the years.

But his recent threesome post, I don't get. But I kind of get this post because one universal truth for long-term relationships is that the woman should always be younger than the guy, not older.

BB's wife is older than him as I recall. Women just don't age as well as men. If you want long-term success, best to be in relationships where the woman is at least the same age as you, if not younger. At least the new girl is a couple years younger. But I have no doubt BB could go even younger if he wanted.

Also, I get the power of chemistry. Chemistry can bond a man and woman together long term and can make the difficult parts of relationships seem easy. I'm hoping their chemistry is real and not based on what kind of car he drives.

Anyway, BB decided his marriage is over and he is moving on. I wish him the best.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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We all hope you have made the right decision and continue to do so.
 

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so it's late and she wants to show me around her part of town and so we go for a walk at like midngiht. it was so ****ing romantic lol.
Jesus-thefvckbastard-Christ. I leave for a few to come back to this? Backbreaker, what the hell happened to you? "I'm gladly giving my wife and kids the steel-toe for some Jew broad?" To do what? Eat latkes and drink Manischewitz until sundown? Dance the night away while shining pennies? You have (I dunno this smells like hot horse5hit to me anyway) a familial obligation to your kids to set an example. This is your legacy?

then we see this garbage dumpster and there is a mtressess laying o nthe ground next to it, and we look at it and we are both thinking the same thing. we take off our pants and we **** on the garbage dumpster maatress lol it was so hot lol. l now everytime we see a garbage dumpster we smile
You're mistaken, good Sir. You're not fvcking on a garbage dumpster mattress. You ARE the garbage dumpster mattress. You personify the very essence of incredulity and incessant he-b!tch behavior run rampant 'round these here parts. If any of this is remotely true, you'd better about-face and show this girl nothing but a$$ and elbows.
 

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If this is a troll, it's a good one.

This is another warning against getting married: This is just the sort of thing the woman usually does. 12 years together, the original hormones wear off, things aren't a novelty anymore, life goes on, things get routine....
Then one day, she meets a guy who sweeps her off her feet. The new guy is hot and exciting and makes her feel things she hasn't felt in over a decade. She didn't even know she could still feel this way until this new guy showed her. She still loves her husband, but she can't help it, no one makes her feel like this new guy. It isn't even anybody's fault, because "it just happened". Just like the swinging "just happened".

This can happen to anyone, you can't predict it. That's why it's just too risky to get married these days.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Backbreaker, I need an update dude. Did the wife take you back after Maria split?
 

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udpate:

so I ended up breaking it off with maria and going back home. Every relationship has it's ups and downs but the more away from Millie I was the more I realized why I married her in the first place, and missed my baby and just went home.

sometimes you got to lose something, to realize what you had in the first place. "We haven't really been apart for 10 years. At all. we never separated. the most we ever sepnt apart from each toher was a week and a half when she would go home to visit her parents and i would stay home. I guess at the end of the day all we neededd was a little bit of space from each other. I started to miss her around the beginning of january. i broke it off with maria the end of january.
 

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so I ended up breaking it off with maria and going back home. Every relationship has it's ups and downs but the more away from Millie I was the more I realized why I married her in the first place, and missed my baby and just went home.

sometimes you got to lose something, to realize what you had in the first place. "We haven't really been apart for 10 years. At all. we never separated. the most we ever sepnt apart from each toher was a week and a half when she would go home to visit her parents and i would stay home. I guess at the end of the day all we neededd was a little bit of space from each other. I started to miss her around the beginning of january. i broke it off with maria the end of january.
Sounds sensible.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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