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Facts bro. Your post is why I slightly disagree with the OP. Just slightly. MGTOW is not a cope in many areas. MGTOW is a cost benefit analysis in bad dating markets. The juice aint worth the squeeze in some cities.
I would be curious what the worst city for dating is in the U.S., according to @LARaiders85.

The juice is always worth the squeeze to some degree. A guy has to get pusssy some way. Most men don't travel a lot under normal times, and COVID has now killed travel. Most guys have to get pusssy in their home city.
 

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Maybe...maybe not. Maybe we have been conditioned to constantly think about women. When was struggling to meet basic survival needs women were the last thing on my mind. Maybe obsession with women is because we lack any real obstacles. I go back and forth on this topic broski. I dont know the real answer lol
Bro, you watchin the fights tonight?
 

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I would be curious what the worst city for dating is in the U.S., according to @LARaiders85.

The juice is always worth the squeeze to some degree. A guy has to get pusssy some way. Most men don't travel a lot under normal times, and COVID has now killed travel. Most guys have to get pusssy in their home city.
Best city for me: Vegas, Austin TX, Tri state area (NY, Jersey, etc),
Worst: DC, DC, DC, um......Maryland, heard LA was HORRIBLE, basically anyplace that is a liberal bastion with too high of a median income will be bad
 

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Bro, you watchin the fights tonight?
Yessss! I feel like a kid a day before Christmas. I will start a different thread on the event. I dont want to hijack this good thread. Are you watching?
 

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Yessss! I feel like a kid a day before Christmas. I will start a different thread on the event. I dont want to hijack this good thread. Are you watching?
Go for it. See you there. Definitely watching.
 

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I would be curious what the worst city for dating is in the U.S., according to @LARaiders85.

The juice is always worth the squeeze to some degree. A guy has to get pusssy some way. Most men don't travel a lot under normal times, and COVID has now killed travel. Most guys have to get pusssy in their home city.
San Francisco
 

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Best city for me: Vegas, Austin TX, Tri state area (NY, Jersey, etc),
Worst: DC, DC, DC, um......Maryland, heard LA was HORRIBLE, basically anyplace that is a liberal bastion with too high of a median income will be bad
I'm not surprised the Bay Area is bad. The Bay Area is a combination of bad ratios, too many autistic/aspie tech worker simps, and rampant feminism. Seattle is up there. DC is known for being a bastion of toxic feminism and attracting politically obsessed and careerist women. Los Angeles has a bad reputation due to bad ratios and rampant hypergamy due to unrealistic female standards from the whole Hollywood influence.

Las Vegas is good for casual sex because there's always the option of tourist pusssy on The Strip. If you're living in Las Vegas, it can be more difficult to put something together for a longer term because scheduling dates is more difficult there than most cities because everyone works odd and differing shifts. If you are a man that works a non 8:30 am-5:30 pm type shift, there actually might not be a better city in non-pandemic times than Las Vegas because you're mainstream in Vegas. I like the New York City/New Jersey attitude. I like the more direct, more in your face confrontational style. In the Southern/Southwestern U.S., a lot of the women are non-confrontational candy assses. In NY/NJ, the women are more direct, which is better than the mamby pamby, gutless behaviors that are more common in Southern and Western states. Mamby pamby gutlessness is annoying.
 

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I'm not surprised the Bay Area is bad. The Bay Area is a combination of bad ratios, too many autistic/aspie tech worker simps, and rampant feminism. Seattle is up there. DC is known for being a bastion of toxic feminism and attracting politically obsessed and careerist women. Los Angeles has a bad reputation due to bad ratios and rampant hypergamy due to unrealistic female standards from the whole Hollywood influence.

Las Vegas is good for casual sex because there's always the option of tourist pusssy on The Strip. If you're living in Las Vegas, it can be more difficult to put something together for a longer term because scheduling dates is more difficult there than most cities because everyone works odd and differing shifts. If you are a man that works a non 8:30 am-5:30 pm type shift, there actually might not be a better city in non-pandemic times than Las Vegas because you're mainstream in Vegas. I like the New York City/New Jersey attitude. I like the more direct, more in your face confrontational style. In the Southern/Southwestern U.S., a lot of the women are non-confrontational candy assses. In NY/NJ, the women are more direct, which is better than the mamby pamby, gutless behaviors that are more common in Southern and Western states. Mamby pamby gutlessness is annoying.
1000% agree. Spot on
 

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1000% agree. Spot on
Thanks! In this forum, with regard to U.S. cities/metro areas, we tend to talk about the most populous ones most. A lot of the worst female behaviors are seen in the larger cities/metro areas.

When you think about the less populated areas, the less populated areas tend to be pusssy wastelands. If a city/metro area has less than 125,000 in population, odds are that there will not be enough choices. If you are a man who happens to live in one of these places of less than 125,000 population, you'd better hope you grew up there and are esconscened in a relationship with your high school sweetheart or went to a small college there and stayed with your college sweetheart. The minute that relationship dissipates, you probably need to leave that area if you are 25 or older. Men in smaller areas like these who end up having children with their high school or college sweetheart and the relationship ends tend to be put in a bad place, because they won't have it easy finding their next longer term relationship or even a casual fling.

Some of the midsized metro areas (more than 125,000 but less than low 1 millions) tend to be good areas from a pusssy standpoint. In the midsized areas, the women are less hypergamous than what is seen in the bigger metro areas, but you're not suffering from too few choices like the small areas. The trickiest part about the midsized metros is that are they are often more social circle dependent and some can be hostile to outsiders. The people I've seen do well in midsized metros tend to be people who grew up in that midsized metro and never left it/only left it for the 4 years of college and returned immediately after college. People who transplant to a metro area of 300,000 or so might struggle. When it comes to transplants, a lot of people tend to transplant to the most populous metros with populations above the low 1 millions.
 

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Maybe...maybe not. Maybe we have been conditioned to constantly think about women. When was struggling to meet basic survival needs women were the last thing on my mind. Maybe obsession with women is because we lack any real obstacles. I go back and forth on this topic broski. I dont know the real answer lol
The society we live in encourages our compulsions and obsessions instead of encouraging us to temper and transcend them. But their source is biological.
 

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Wait, Austin? Really? I heard that city was liberal as absolute ****. Like on-par-with-LA kind of liberal. Heard that from several people who lived in Texas, shit’s wack apparently.
Well i had 1 good night there. I only spent 1 night there lol....so im 1 for 1. I think it was just luck. We can scratch that off the list until further investigation.
 

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Wait, Austin? Really? I heard that city was liberal as absolute ****. Like on-par-with-LA kind of liberal. Heard that from several people who lived in Texas, ****’s wack apparently.
Well i had 1 good night there. I only spent 1 night there lol....so im 1 for 1. I think it was just luck. We can scratch that off the list until further investigation.
1 night in a city is not a good sample size. In almost any metro area with a population of 500,000+, someone can get laid on one night.

Living in the city/metro area for an extended amount of time is the best way to gauge what the mating environment is like in that city. The next best way is having a trusted friend who is of a similar mindset to yourself living in that city. After that, reading about the city will give you an idea of conditions.

Las Vegas is a great example of a city where there would be a difference between traveling there and partying on The Strip for a few weekend or 7-10 days straight vs. living there full time. I have a trusted friend who has lived there full time and I have done some reading about it.

As for Austin, I've never been. I've not had any friends live there full time. I've done a little bit of reading about it. At one time, I was actually considering moving there. Due to "Keep Austin Weird", I was concerned about my ability to fit in socially there. There were some perceived positives about living there, but the social environment gave me enough pause to more carefully consider other options when ultimately making a choice on a place to live. I'm also not a hardcore liberal either.
 

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1 night in a city is not a good sample size. In almost any metro area with a population of 500,000+, someone can get laid on one night.

Living in the city/metro area for an extended amount of time is the best way to gauge what the mating environment is like in that city. The next best way is having a trusted friend who is of a similar mindset to yourself living in that city. After that, reading about the city will give you an idea of conditions.
Yeh I agree that one night is not enough to feel out the dating market. That is why I redacted my original statement about Austin. I dont even think the girl was from Austin. She was a transplant.

Vegas is amazing. I lived there with the locals. I think there are a couple things that contribute to a place being a good dating market.

1.) Low median income. Girls dont have insane income standards for men. Just having a stable job is good enough. The job market is not that great in that city unless you work in a Casino or in a hospital/ healthcare.

2.) More women than men. Ratio is great out there. Like you said you have international chicks flooding the city every week.

3.) Feminism is not that big out there. Not sure why. Maybe its a combination of the previous two factors.
 

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Yeh I agree that one night is not enough to feel out the dating market. That is why I redacted my original statement about Austin. I dont even think the girl was from Austin. She was a transplant.

Vegas is amazing. I lived there with the locals. I think there are a couple things that contribute to a place being a good dating market.

1.) Low median income. Girls dont have insane income standards for men. Just having a stable job is good enough. The job market is not that great in that city unless you work in a Casino or in a hospital/ healthcare.

2.) More women than men. Ratio is great out there. Like you said you have international chicks flooding the city every week.

3.) Feminism is not that big out there. Not sure why. Maybe its a combination of the previous two factors.
Many big cities are filled with transplants. To me, if the woman lived in Austin at the time you banged her while there for a weekend, she counts as an Austinite.

While there are good things about the dating market in Las Vegas, ratio is not one of them. Among singles 20-34, there is a surplus of males in Las Vegas, when you count Las Vegas residents only. Now, if you were to consider tourists who happen to be in the city at a given time, maybe that improves ratios. If you're a Las Vegas resident and looking for a relationship of 6-12 months or longer, you're generally dealing with other Las Vegas locals.

I'll agree on low median income. Lower median income can work to a man's advantage if he has a decent job. My friend who lived in Las Vegas did not have an impressive income while he lived there. He did have a solid apartment at a reasonable cost, which helped justify his reason for being in Las Vegas.

I'll also agree on feminism in Las Vegas. Las Vegas is built on the notion that women's looks make them money. A lot of women in Las Vegas make their money on being scandily clad bartenders, pool servers, other casino employees, or strippers. That sort of thing doesn't connect well to a lot of feminist principles, with the exception of sex positive femininity. The upside of the fact that a lot of Vegas women make their money on their looks is that the fitness levels are better in Las Vegas. Additionally, if a Las Vegas local male is dating some Las Vegas local female who is a teacher, nurse, lawyer, or office workers and she starts giving him too much attitude, he can put her on ice, and go to a Strip area nightclub any night of the week or the casino pool scene and find some wild tourist girl to give him the vag. My friend, who did not have to wake up early for a 8:30 am-5:30 pm type job could stay out on a Tuesday night/Wednesday morning until 2-3 am to get pusssy if need be. Knowing this might keep the behavior of a Las Vegas local woman in check.
 

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It's possible to get incrementally better over a life phase progression up until one's 30s. The only way a radical change in fortune can occur is with some sort of radical transformation.

A guy getting no pusssy in high school isn't just going to show up on the campus of a large public university known for attractive women and start getting numerous women of better than average quality. If he does some work on his social skills (probably needs 6+ months of work in this) and improves his physique (either with weight loss or added muscle), he might be able to get a few bangs in the 4-5 range, and possibly an extended girlfriend in the 5-6 range during the 4 years of college.

The leap from college to post college at 22-23 is a tough leap to make in terms of mating success. It's rare that years 22-24 are spectacular years for men in a non-university setting. In the real world, a 22-24 year old isn't older than the majority of the women at the bars/clubs outside the university district in a city. Therefore, if a guy wants to do well in the 22-24 age range (the first 2-3 years typically post university), it'd be best to be going to bars near a university in a city or live in a area commonly populated with the 22-24 year old age set and maybe put something together via social circles or some activity. 25-29 years old can be some good years if you line up some variables well. One of the best things about 25-29 is that you're just a few years older than some absolute prime women. That really helps. Many social circles are still establishing and are yet to become dominated by established long term couples at this point. That change in social circle dynamics often occurs between 28-32, which often leads to single and unattached men in this age range finding some new environments, upping activity on swipe apps, or cold approaching more.

The 30s age years are typically not the promised land that some in the Manosphere claim. Your typical 33 year old never married and childless man isn't typically with 21-25 year olds. If he's fortunate, he's looking at 29-32 year olds without children. If he's more reliant upon apps, he's unlikely to get a large age difference. If he's meeting people in person, it is more possible to achieve a larger age difference because he isn't getting filtered out of swipe results, but he's still likely to end up with someone close to his age. For some in their 30s, there's the complication of single parent dating. Some men in their 30s are single fathers. Some women in their 30s are single moms. There can be difficulty in a childless person dating a single parent. Two single parents with each other gets complicated.

A 50 year old guy might have some health difficulties. A lot of 50 year old year old guys are not likely to be attractive to women in their 20s-30s. Early 40s isn't a huge stretch for a 50 year old guy. Most 50 year old guys have some 40 something year old girlfriend. Both might be divorced. She may or may not be a single parent of a child under 18. Some women in their 40s have children who are about to turn 18 or have turned 18. Very few 50 year old men are living a player lifestyle. A 50 year old man who does happen to live a player lifestyle isn't doing as well as a 35 year old player.



I wouldn't call it a silver bullet. It's incrementally easier. The people I've known who did social circle best put a fair amount of effort into it, but they also often had some intervening events help their cause. Not having your parents move during your birth-age 18 years and then staying in that same geography as an adult will help in social circle development. It's an added bonus if that geographical tends to be less transient. Having an established social circle from a lifelong presence in a transient market like Las Vegas is better than not having one at all or arriving there knowing no one and having to find mating opportunities via apps, cold approaches, and/or developing a presence in female friendly environments.
Man 25-29 was THE BEST.
 
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