"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
Man Shocked by 50-Year Sentence for Raping His Wife
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
rape is rape, whether its your wife or not.
come on guys, use common sense.
if your wife were to forcibly sodomize you against your will with a strap on are you saying that becuase your married thats not assault?
ill tell ya this much, i'm all for supporting men at every turn, but this guy isn't man, he's a dumb f*ck who deserves what he gets.
come on guys, use common sense.
if your wife were to forcibly sodomize you against your will with a strap on are you saying that becuase your married thats not assault?
ill tell ya this much, i'm all for supporting men at every turn, but this guy isn't man, he's a dumb f*ck who deserves what he gets.
Slow down there, chief. So far, I don't see anyone overtly disagreeing with you. With respect to me, I'd just prefer to use the term "assalt" in the case of a marriage over "rape". This is because I assume that a marital partner, by definition, does not object to having sex with whom they're married to.joekerr31 said:
BTW, your analogy with sodomy with a man, in a reverse case scenario, is not a very good one, IMO. For one, the anus isn't designed to be entered. Second, its illegal in many states anyway, including in my state. In AR, its a second degree misdeameanor (sp?). This law is applicable to the married as well.
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
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Refusing sex should be grounds for annulment. Little wh0re got in his wallet and stopped putting out.
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I agree, no sex means no relationship/marriage. You are 'friends' with your wife, thus she is no longer your wife...she's a 'roommate'. So, you would not be cheating if you went elsewhere, it would be a non-verbal agreement.bigjohnson said:
That being said, rape is rape. Come on guys! This is a no brainer.
Joekerr's analogy, shuttering as it is, is spot on. Rape is more about control and power, so if your wife bent you over with strap-on it would be about control and power. Just as you would be forcing yourself on your wife...er, roommate.
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I have to respectfully disagree. Sex should be an expected part of marriage. A man being sodomized is NOT an expected part of marriage, at least not in my area. Well, at least not until the divorce, which is essentially socially approved chainsaw sodomy.Mr.Positive said:
Was he wrong? Probably (I wasn't there) he was, but it's not rape. Assault would seem a more appropriate legal charge.
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I'll disagree, assualt is unlawful touching/contact of another person. Battery is the unlawful attempt of contact...bigjohnson said:
and rape is unlawful sexual intercourse without permission.
It doesn't matter if it's your wife, girlfriend, or neighbor. Rape is rape.
Yes, sex is an expected part of marriage, however rape is not sex. Rape if forceful and involves gaining power over another person. Big difference.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
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That's all really pretty in some ivory tower someplace, the reality is that sex is supposed to happen between married people and proving "rape" vs all the other possible interpretations seems like legal masturbation. You make it seem like assault is no big thing. It is, particularly in a domestic situation.
Bottom line, is this is a semantics discussion. We're all referring to the same "act" as being illegal, its just what name we want to slap on it in this case. A rape is always an assault (unless you don't think rapes involve "unlawful physical attacks" (one definition of assault)), but an assault doesn't necessary include a rape. But "rape" is also more than an assault because the act of having sex itself with the victim is also unlawful in a rape case. So, to me, there is no such thing as unlawful sex, and only sex, in a marriage, thus there can be no rape (the 2nd unlawful component of rape is missing).
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Rape carries a stigma and social loading that I'm not sure is applicable in this case. To me they are both wrong but completely different.
"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
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Definitely, at least considering you can kill a person and get significantly less time. Total bullsh1t.The Sperminator said:
And if you want minimal jail time, shoot your spouse in the back with a buckshot while they're sleeping. After doing so, don't forget to wipe the blood streaming from his/her mouth with a tissue asking "Did that hurt???" with a crooked smile.
But if you want to be fined millions, go to jail and have the key thrown away, raise some dogs specifically for fighting them.
Sorry.... just venting
But if you want to be fined millions, go to jail and have the key thrown away, raise some dogs specifically for fighting them.
Sorry.... just venting
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Yeah, it's rape in the same way that a wife raiding her husbands wallet is theft. Try to get THAT one prosecuted.azanon said:
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OK.bigjohnson said:
I agree, however, this is a very dangerous discussion I think and it's way too easy for someone to read these posts and mis interpret what is being said.
There seems to be a 'my wife my property' sort of hint here, which definitely sends the wrong message.
To commit rape, only two pieces, ONLY TWO, must be in place.
1) Penile/vaginal penetration.
2) Unlawful consent.
That's it, and you have rape. As soon as the tip of your penis enters a woman's vagina, AND you have do not have her consent, you just committed rape.
By arguing semantics only confuses this fact, because the law does not care if it's your wife or not.
The gray area comes with the 'consent' part. For that only a good lawyer is going to help you.
I understand where you guys are coming from, however, for people reading this where it maybe a little unclear, it's important to realized just how serious this really is.
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I wasn't making an argument of legal fact, but of moral rightness or however you want to put it. Nor, as you note, am I in any way minimizing the guilt.
I do find it idiotic that society will essentially trap a guy like this when he should be able to tell her to pack what she can carry and get the hell out.
I do find it idiotic that society will essentially trap a guy like this when he should be able to tell her to pack what she can carry and get the hell out.
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.