If your GF has some close MALE friends, as a man how do you react to that? Do you ask her to cut out the contact, do you do nothing about it and just observe carefully, do you try to find out if they also have GF´s of their own? Whats your take on this?
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
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"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
ALL attractive women have orbiters. They benefit from these tool boxes because they often get free sh!t, help moving, connections, etc. out of them.
If a woman has CLOSE male friends.. that's another issue. I would then ask her if she is fully aware that her male friend(s) want to pound her. If she is dumb enough to not believe it.. I would then tell her to inform her "friend" he has no chance in hell of EVER sleeping with her in this life or the next. Most women will say something along the lines of: "He already knows". I would then tell her: "GOOD.. so it should be easy to tell him then".
This is not about being insecure about her male friends. Its about testing her level of submission to you. Notice I am not telling her to end the friendship. I am only telling her to be 100% honest with her male "friend". Something a "true friend" should have no problems doing right? RIGHT.
If she does not submit to my request.. she will be demoted to sex toy until she does.
If a woman has CLOSE male friends.. that's another issue. I would then ask her if she is fully aware that her male friend(s) want to pound her. If she is dumb enough to not believe it.. I would then tell her to inform her "friend" he has no chance in hell of EVER sleeping with her in this life or the next. Most women will say something along the lines of: "He already knows". I would then tell her: "GOOD.. so it should be easy to tell him then".
This is not about being insecure about her male friends. Its about testing her level of submission to you. Notice I am not telling her to end the friendship. I am only telling her to be 100% honest with her male "friend". Something a "true friend" should have no problems doing right? RIGHT.
If she does not submit to my request.. she will be demoted to sex toy until she does.
Cutting out the orbiters is a must for any man (although its always so difficult to do so) but with close friends I always struggled a bit because I could never be sure in some cases why a guy and a girl are friends for years without anything sexual happening between the 2 (if none of them is absurdly unnatractive).
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Girls with close male friends = 100% no bueno, unless they are gay. It's a backburner situation most of the time and that is the guy she will straight bang the instant she gets pissed at you for even the tiniest thing. Women who have close male friends generally don't get along with other women and if they don't, it's likely that it's because other women find them shady
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Here is the thing: If a woman finds it more important to keep around her male friend(s) and orbiters over you.. then you cannot take that woman seriously.
This is why I often say you learn the most about women when you force them to make a decision. You find out your level of value in her eyes. You can then use that information to decide how best to spend your emotional energy. Never waste emotional energy on wh0res and women who want to "keep their options open" (keeping orbiters and male friends are examples of this). Keep such women as plates. Don't commit emotionally.
Thanks Poon King. I made the mistake in my last relationship of not cutting out right at the beginning any orbiters around, and that came back to bite me in the a§§ later on, which contributed in a big way for me to terminate the relationship. Lesson that I learned: establish very clearly your boundaries right from day 1.
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Agreed with the last statement.
Double agreed. Not only have you got to fend off the current orbiters, new ones will be cropping up all the time. The ones who pose the most threat will be the hardest to uncover.
Either she's trustworthy, or she's not.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.