If your GF has some close MALE friends, as a man how do you react to that? Do you ask her to cut out the contact, do you do nothing about it and just observe carefully, do you try to find out if they also have GF´s of their own? Whats your take on this?
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
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"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
ALL attractive women have orbiters. They benefit from these tool boxes because they often get free sh!t, help moving, connections, etc. out of them.
If a woman has CLOSE male friends.. that's another issue. I would then ask her if she is fully aware that her male friend(s) want to pound her. If she is dumb enough to not believe it.. I would then tell her to inform her "friend" he has no chance in hell of EVER sleeping with her in this life or the next. Most women will say something along the lines of: "He already knows". I would then tell her: "GOOD.. so it should be easy to tell him then".
This is not about being insecure about her male friends. Its about testing her level of submission to you. Notice I am not telling her to end the friendship. I am only telling her to be 100% honest with her male "friend". Something a "true friend" should have no problems doing right? RIGHT.
If she does not submit to my request.. she will be demoted to sex toy until she does.
If a woman has CLOSE male friends.. that's another issue. I would then ask her if she is fully aware that her male friend(s) want to pound her. If she is dumb enough to not believe it.. I would then tell her to inform her "friend" he has no chance in hell of EVER sleeping with her in this life or the next. Most women will say something along the lines of: "He already knows". I would then tell her: "GOOD.. so it should be easy to tell him then".
This is not about being insecure about her male friends. Its about testing her level of submission to you. Notice I am not telling her to end the friendship. I am only telling her to be 100% honest with her male "friend". Something a "true friend" should have no problems doing right? RIGHT.
If she does not submit to my request.. she will be demoted to sex toy until she does.
Cutting out the orbiters is a must for any man (although its always so difficult to do so) but with close friends I always struggled a bit because I could never be sure in some cases why a guy and a girl are friends for years without anything sexual happening between the 2 (if none of them is absurdly unnatractive).
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Girls with close male friends = 100% no bueno, unless they are gay. It's a backburner situation most of the time and that is the guy she will straight bang the instant she gets pissed at you for even the tiniest thing. Women who have close male friends generally don't get along with other women and if they don't, it's likely that it's because other women find them shady
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
Here is the thing: If a woman finds it more important to keep around her male friend(s) and orbiters over you.. then you cannot take that woman seriously.
This is why I often say you learn the most about women when you force them to make a decision. You find out your level of value in her eyes. You can then use that information to decide how best to spend your emotional energy. Never waste emotional energy on wh0res and women who want to "keep their options open" (keeping orbiters and male friends are examples of this). Keep such women as plates. Don't commit emotionally.
Thanks Poon King. I made the mistake in my last relationship of not cutting out right at the beginning any orbiters around, and that came back to bite me in the a§§ later on, which contributed in a big way for me to terminate the relationship. Lesson that I learned: establish very clearly your boundaries right from day 1.
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Agreed with the last statement.
Double agreed. Not only have you got to fend off the current orbiters, new ones will be cropping up all the time. The ones who pose the most threat will be the hardest to uncover.
Either she's trustworthy, or she's not.
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.