You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Danger said:How long together? And what is the level of seriousness (living together? etc,...)
Danger said:No invite is a red flag. A pretty major one actually for this particulary case. I would begin looking for new places to stay in preparation for leaving her. How long til the lease renewal? Please do not tell me they bought a place together.
I would also start seriously looking for other options and going out without her in the aim to gather more plates. It will make it easier to dump her. Bottom line, for me this is a "next" situation.
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
IMO, Theres Danger ahead..... You have to remember the card females play. They deny everything! until you actually catch her with a c*ck in her mouth THEN and only then she will admit that she cheated but will turn it around and say its your fault because you neglected her etc,,. Ive heard multiple girls say this to each other "Dont admit anything!" or something similar.st_99 said:and guy she banged before you is also in that city and part of the same circle.
From a non paranoid non jealous perspective but simply from a respect perspective what are your thoughts?
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
SecondHalf said:Pretty clear, poor sod!
ST, how's he taking it?
What's his gut telling him to do?
SH
Aristippus said:A woman that's crazy about you will not pull crap like this. A woman that's crazy about you will invite you to vacation with her. She won't put herself in a situation that could jeopardize her relationship, like going out of town to visit girls who are in the same social circle with a guy she used to have sex with.
I agree. And if the thread title were my gf won't let me go see my friends without her because my ex lives in the same city, that gf would be a jealous b!tch.Warrior74 said:Lots of worry about nothing. All you can do is either trust your girl until you have a reason not to, or lock her in a basement. Pick one. I ain't gonna have a heart attack stressing over what she's doing when she's with her girls. If I think she's cheating or get that vibe, cut her loose. Otherwise, carry on.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Anything is possible. Would I immediately accuse her of anything without having any proof? No. Would I trust her in such a manner that I would immediately assume she would never do such a thing? Absolutely not. I learned a while back NEVER to trust a female and not just simply for the sake of not trusting them. Not even women trust other women so that should be telling enough.st_99 said:and guy she banged before you is also in that city and part of the same circle.
From a non paranoid non jealous perspective but simply from a respect perspective what are your thoughts?
If the OP needs to ask then chances are that his intuition is telling him that something about this particular woman's behavior is off. It's easier for everyone else (male and female) to explain it off as just a bad case of jealousy.Danger said:I am saying it's a red flag because I have never known of a woman to do this thing when she has sufficient interest in her man.
She would want to show her man off to her friends, and definitely to her ex should he appear. What would be the point of her going away and not wanting her bf to go?
This is not about the ex living in the same city, the ex has the same circle of friends. There is a big difference here. And to tell the truth, separate vacations are a red flag. Never have I seen anything good come of them.
These are not the actions of a woman in love. These are the actions of a woman who does what she wants, when she wants. Such women are not built for relationships.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.