LR/FR: Irrational Confidence turns an L into a W

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

I've seen this first hand when I was out with some friends once and one of the guys that was part of the group that I didn't really know well was a small time male model, but women were like drooling over him.

Within an hour and a half he had a woman approach him, have a short conversation, I see them leaving out the back door, then about 20 mins later he comes back in, her friend comes up to him about 15 minutes later in front of all of us and directly asks him "When is it my turn?" and he says right now...so they go out the back door and he comes back in again about 20-30 minutes later.

We were like bro, WTF is going on with you and he told us that the first woman told him that she and her friend both wanted to fvck him but she wanted to talk to him first...so they went out behind the dumpsters and he fvcked her and then her friend found out and asked "When is my turn?" and he proceeded to take her out back and fvck her too.

I was like this man is the fvcking pimp of the year.

Amazing story .

With this story you helped demonstrate a point I've been making.

The point is simple...those 2 women in the story^, let's call them Kelly and Claire.

Kelly and Claire will fuk that dude, on the first night, behind a dumpster.

But if you or I are trying to smash Kelly and Claire on the first night, they will tell us...

"You must have the wrong girls, we don't do that kinda stuff".

"We have to get to know you first".

"Why would we that, when we don't even know you".

But none of that shiit applies to dude that fuked them behind the dumpster.

He didn't need to take them on any dates. He didn't have to build any rapport.

He didn't have to stand there and razzle-dazzle them with juggling chainsaws or rabbit-out-the-hat magical tricks.

They knew what they wanted from when they first saw him.

This story proved my overarching point; women will only require a date with guys that aren't that interested in the first place.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Lmao.
oh yes. Currie will be added to the history books alongside Morse, Graham Bell and Marconi for his work. For sure ..

Uzza funny dude

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Amazing story .

With this story you helped demonstrate a point I've been making.

The point is simple...those 2 women in the story^, let's call them Kelly and Claire.

Kelly and Claire will fuk that dude, on the first night, behind a dumpster.

But if you or I are trying to smash Kelly and Claire on the first night, they will tell us...

"You must have the wrong girls, we don't do that kinda stuff".

"We have to get to know you first".

"Why would we that, when we don't even know you".

But none of that shiit applies to dude that fuked them behind the dumpster.

He didn't need to take them on any dates. He didn't have to build any rapport.

He didn't have to stand there and razzle-dazzle them with juggling chainsaws or rabbit-out-the-hat magical tricks.

They knew what they wanted from when they first saw him.

This story proved my overarching point; women will only require a date with guys that aren't that interested in the first place.

I view it like sports...coaches always claim they treat players the same. But all of them know that's BS.

The star players are allowed far more leeway than the dudes at the bottom of the roster fighting for spots.

One of them makes a mistake, even a minor one, they might get cut. They have a very short leash in terms of what can go wrong.

The star player can make much more serious mistakes and have virtually no consequences other than the coach maybe coming to him and being like "c'mon man, WTF was that?? You are better than that, get it together."

And it's the same in this situation...the super hot guy has every "team" trying to get him to come play for them and as in free agency, one team will always tend to make a "crazy" offer that makes his decision easy for him.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

I view it like sports...coaches always claim they treat players the same. But all of them know that's BS.

The star players are allowed far more leeway than the dudes at the bottom of the roster fighting for spots.

One of them makes a mistake, even a minor one, they might get cut. They have a very short leash in terms of what can go wrong.

The star player can make much more serious mistakes and have virtually no consequences other than the coach maybe coming to him and being like "c'mon man, WTF was that?? You are better than that, get it together."

And it's the same in this situation...the super hot guy has every "team" trying to get him to come play for them and as in free agency, one team will always tend to make a "crazy" offer that makes his decision easy for him.

That's a great sports analogy.

And to take it a step further, some parents have a stronger bond with one child than another...which ties into a stronger interest levels, and even favoritism.

But my point is, if you (in general) know that women treat men different based on their interest levels, then why would you settle for the low-interest treatment?

So, if you know that Kelly and Claire fuked a dude on the first night (even if it wasn't your homeboy), why would you meet her "date" requirement, in an attempt to smash?

Why is that acceptable?

The question is more rhetorical than anything, because I've asked you a similar question recently and you answered.

But, with both stories you shared; you know firsthand what high-interest looks like...and it is truly a remarkable experience when you meet a woman who views you as such.

 

[Sega Genesis]

Not refuting what you're saying Venom and probably true in some/many cases, but there is another subset of women who have admitted the less interested they are, the more inclined they are to have first meet/date sex, why? They care less about the outcome...

Many highly interested women actually care about what the guy might think of her, e.g. a slut, a hoe, easy, another c0ck on her carousel etc. So they intentionally hold back.

Social conditioning mostly.

But yes certainly what you posted is true as well. No question. Just offering another perspective which is just as valid.

These things are never black and white.

I cant say what's up with @BackInTheGame78 's girl. However, after reading @Bingo-Player post, I'm inclined to agree with him.

Corporate boss bytch who needs to knock men down a notch to test strength and maintain control.

Notice how after BITG turned the tables and demonstrated a strong DGAF attitude, planting the sexual seed and nonchalantly walking away, SHE went chasing after HIM and basically Mode One'd him (female style) saying - prove yourself.

She needs to be in charge and demonstrated that a second time by texting yesterday and inviting him over for more of same.

She is definitely interested though, that much IS clear.

Funny Vince Vaughn clip turning L into a W.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Well...she found out there is a significant difference between what she will be on the receiving end of on a weekday night versus a weekend night

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Not refuting what you're saying Venom and probably true in some/many cases, but there is another subset of women who have admitted the less interested they are, the more inclined they are to have first meet/date sex, why? They care less about the outcome...

Makes no sense to me, but hey.

Let them do what they do.

Many highly interested women actually care about what the guy might think of her, e.g. a slut, a hoe, easy, another c0ck on her carousel etc. So they intentionally hold back.

Social conditioning mostly.

Yup, social conditioning.

In his 5 archetypes of women, ARC labels such women as "Wholesome Pretenders".

 

[Cheeky_James]

That's a great sports analogy.

And to take it a step further, some parents have a stronger bond with one child than another...which ties into a stronger interest levels, and even favoritism.

But my point is, if you (in general) know that women treat men different based on their interest levels, then why would you settle for the low-interest treatment?

So, if you know that Kelly and Claire fuked a dude on the first night (even if it wasn't your homeboy), why would you meet her "date" requirement, in an attempt to smash?

Why is that acceptable?

The question is more rhetorical than anything, because I've asked you a similar question recently and you answered.

But, with both stories you shared; you know firsthand what high-interest looks like...and it is truly a remarkable experience when you meet a woman who views you as such.

the answer is easy and obvious ?
Because you don’t have the same value as him.
Durrr.
that’s where this ARC stuff falls apart.
He’s a super high value, male model looking, rare guy. He can request that treatment and behind the dumpster sex and will get it.
(he doesn’t even have to request obv, lol, girls will proposition him!)
But the odds are pretty much very well stacked against you (or me) getting it.

obviously.
We will just get lolled at, told to “fvck off” or cop a slap for suggesting.
Cos we ain’t got the value.

 

[Sega Genesis]

In his 5 archetypes of women, ARC labels such women as "Wholesome Pretenders".

^^Sounds accurate.

>>"Wholesome Pretenders is a term from Alan Roger Currie’s dating and interpersonal communication philosophy, Mode One, describing women who project a publicly innocent, conservative, or prudish image while secretly harboring uninhibited or active sexual desires.

Key Characteristics

Reputation Protection: They act modest or naive in public to safeguard their social standing and avoid being labeled or judged by peers.

Hidden Desires: Despite appearing innocent, they often possess a very active or kinky sexual side behind closed doors.

Indirect Communication: They avoid being upfront about what they truly want romantically or sexually to maintain their clean public facade."<<

That said I think we are all (men and women) 'pretenders' in one form or another.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

the answer is easy and obvious ?
Because you don’t have the same value as him.
Durrr.

It should be easy and obvious that a man shouldn't want to waste his time with women who don't view him as high value.

But, if that isn't what a man values, then hey..continue settling, and continue getting played and flaked on.

that’s where this ARC stuff falls apart.
He’s a super high value, male model looking, rare guy. He can request that treatment and behind the dumpster sex and will get it.
(he doesn’t even have to request obv, lol, girls will proposition him!)
But the odds are pretty much very well stacked against you (or me) getting it.

Um, no.

He has stated that he has gotten rejected more times than most guys have...simply because, contrary to most guys, he does not fear rejection.

And when you don't fear rejection, you tend to put yourself in positions to get rejected more than guys who do fear rejection.

And you also put yourself in a position to hit home runs and/or grand slams as well.

So, all of the women who rejected him don't view him as high value or even sexually attracted...obviously.

obviously.
We will just get lolled at, told to “fvck off” or cop a slap for suggesting.
Cos we ain’t got the value.

We have to accept that we ain't every woman's cup of tea, just like every woman ain't our cup of tea.

It works both ways.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

^^Sounds accurate.

>>"Wholesome Pretenders is a term from Alan Roger Currie’s dating and interpersonal communication philosophy, Mode One, describing women who project a publicly innocent, conservative, or prudish image while secretly harboring uninhibited or active sexual desires.

Key Characteristics

Reputation Protection: They act modest or naive in public to safeguard their social standing and avoid being labeled or judged by peers.

Hidden Desires: Despite appearing innocent, they often possess a very active or kinky sexual side behind closed doors.

Indirect Communication: They avoid being upfront about what they truly want romantically or sexually to maintain their clean public facade."<<

That said I think we are all (men and women) 'pretenders' in one form or another.

Yuppp. Sounds about right