Looks

[anonymous12345]

Looks matters a lot in today’s dating world, for men too. I gym to get a good body (amongst other reasons), and I’ve noticed I’m anxiously slightly obsessed with my looks. Like women are. For instance, I notice changes in my face, scared that I will start to look older, age being one of the main reasons girls reject me (or that’s at least the reason they give).

Anxiousness over one’s look is a natural result of caring about one’s looks I guess. Still I think a man shouldn’t care that much. I’m aware of it, but don’t get to it.

Feel free to share your thoughts on this.

 

[Divorced w 3]

I think if you're like me, and you got comfortable and developed some extra mid section, you have a problem. I think it's rare someone's going to come right out and say 'your face looks old.' I don't want to deal with any women that are saying anything like that, and to be honest I've never heard that in my life.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Looks matters a lot in today’s dating world, for men too...

Feel free to share your thoughts on this.

I remain astounded that we've spent the past decade PRETENDING that this has ever been esoteric knowledge. Our public persona and image shapes everyone else's perception of us

Next, we'll learn that shooting up rather than only snorting quadrapules the likelihood of contracting HIV or/and Hep C

 

[Manure Spherian]

Looks matters a lot in today’s dating world, for men too. I gym to get a good body (amongst other reasons), and I’ve noticed I’m anxiously slightly obsessed with my looks. Like women are. For instance, I notice changes in my face, scared that I will start to look older, age being one of the main reasons girls reject me (or that’s at least the reason they give).

Anxiousness over one’s look is a natural result of caring about one’s looks I guess. Still I think a man shouldn’t care that much. I’m aware of it, but don’t get to it.

Feel free to share your thoughts on this.

Of the men women are sexually attracted to, looks are at the bottom of the pile for what they go for. The excessive focus on one’s looks is effeminate.

 

[Divorced w 3]

I’m going on a true fast starting tomorrow. The last six weeks have been a 20 hour morning coffee with cream only fast. I’m going to start doing a true black coffee and electrolytes only approach.

I’ve been lifting - I added 60 pounds on my bench sets, overhead press is up about the same and my deadlifts and squats are probably top 5 of the gym’s natural lifters. Maybe top 10. I haven’t seen anyone else do 400 but that doesn’t mean much.

I just did 15 minutes of real HIIT with sauna, if all goes to plan I’ll be nice in a month.

 

[Divorced w 3]

Of the men women are sexually attracted to, looks are at the bottom line of what they go for. The excessive focus on one’s looks is effeminate.

If you are fat, you are an afterthought, unless you’re leading visibly with your wallet.

I will agree that the non-fat other looks are probably subordinate to other traits.

 

[The Duke]

A man that thinks looks matter the most is a man that gets by on his looks.

A man that thinks money matters the most is a man that gets by on his money.

A man that thinks charisma matters the most is a man that gets by on his charisma.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

A man that thinks looks matter the most is a man that gets by on his looks.

A man that thinks money matters the most is a man that gets by on his money.

A man that thinks charisma matters the most is a man that gets by on his charisma.

100%!!!

 

[characternote]

I remain astounded that we've spent the past decade PRETENDING that this has ever been esoteric knowledge

the PUA coaches did a REALLY good job of gaslighting people into not believing their own freaking eyes!! lol

I still read stuff on seddit from completely deluded people who have swallowed the PUA koolaid to the point of overdose who crack me up!

I remember writing field reports on there a long time back, back when I had a male model looking wingman who would demolish any dating coach in existence. I'd write FR's and some frustration would seep through about how he was getting approached by hotties all night and how it was impossible for him to miss and he just needed to not literally urinate on himself etc, and they'd give me the most insane reasons why it was happening to him (because 'girls aren't visual') and avoiding the elephant in the room! lmao

 

[Mike32ct]

the PUA coaches did a REALLY good job of gaslighting people into not believing their own freaking eyes!! lol

I still read stuff on seddit from completely deluded people who have swallowed the PUA koolaid to the point of overdose who crack me up!

I remember writing field reports on there a long time back, back when I had a male model looking wingman who would demolish any dating coach in existence. I'd write FR's and some frustration would seep through about how he was getting approached by hotties all night and how it was impossible for him to miss and he just needed to not literally urinate on himself etc, and they'd give me the most insane reasons why it was happening to him (because 'girls aren't visual') and avoiding the elephant in the room! lmao

Or because he was “just having a good time and not trying too hard” or “the way he carried himself.” lol

 

[Divorced w 3]

A man that thinks looks matter the most is a man that gets by on his looks.

A man that thinks money matters the most is a man that gets by on his money.

A man that thinks charisma matters the most is a man that gets by on his charisma.

Is this a fortune cookie?

 

[characternote]

Or because he was “just having a good time and not trying too hard” or “the way he carried himself.” lol

so funny. I remember once I mentioned that he didn't even care much and would spend his nights playing on the fruit machines (he was addicted!) and they DID indeed say that's why girls were hitting on him! I didn't even bother to mention that them bars are full of old, drunk builders who ALSO spend all their time in the pub starring at the flashing lights on the machine and THEY don't get hit on and approached by pretty 19 year olds!! lol.

 

[Plinco]

Or because he was “just having a good time and not trying too hard” or “the way he carried himself.” lol

The way you carry yourself affects the way you look

 

[Mike32ct]

The way you carry yourself affects the way you look

Yeah, I’m not saying body language doesn’t matter. You should carry yourself confidently, have fun and not try too hard. There is no downside to having those things handled.

Characternote and I were joking about people who completely ignore or dance around the looks issue.

 

[Bigpapa]

the PUA coaches did a REALLY good job of gaslighting people into not believing their own freaking eyes!! lol

I still read stuff on seddit from completely deluded people who have swallowed the PUA koolaid to the point of overdose who crack me up!

I remember writing field reports on there a long time back, back when I had a male model looking wingman who would demolish any dating coach in existence. I'd write FR's and some frustration would seep through about how he was getting approached by hotties all night and how it was impossible for him to miss and he just needed to not literally urinate on himself etc, and they'd give me the most insane reasons why it was happening to him (because 'girls aren't visual') and avoiding the elephant in the room! lmao

I don’t agree that looks is the only thing that matters. For sure if you are super high on the looks scale is a great place to be, but the very vast majority of guys are not there and still have or can have a good sex life

but if you do not score super high in the looks department( like the very vast majority of guys ), you have to push towards being more well rounded in other parts of your life

even stuff that you learn through pua ( inner and outer game ) become important. Though they are maybe maximum 10% of the whole dating success

10% is still a lot, especially if you are good at making opportunities. Can easily be the difference between sleeping with 1 girl per month to maybe 2-3 girls. 2-3 girls per month is like 100 girls in 3 years. That is a massive boost , and way higher than what most pua coaches achieve in a similar time frame

 

[The Duke]

Is this a fortune cookie?

Confucius was my inspiration! He also said man that stands tall on toilet seat, high on pot!

 

[Barrister]

Looks are important obviously but they are towards the bottom of things women get excited about if you are over the age of 21-23, out of college, and out in the real world.

Social proof and confidence/charisma become far bigger factors. Yes, you can get yourself some bonus points by getting into the gym and being in good shape (as you should), but your bigger factors will be how successful you are (yes, money is a subset of this) and your overall ability to lead/influence others. Women get very wet over those things. Being "hot" like Brad Pitt certainly helps and probably will help you in the ONS category, but is it more icing on the cake than the cake itself.

 

[BaronOfHair]

the PUA coaches did a REALLY good job of gaslighting people into not believing their own freaking eyes!! lol

All the material I've ever read stresses the virtues of glowing up. Not everyone can be Idris Elba circa '03, or Desperado-era Antonio Banderas, great... I've never read or heard anyone use that as a rationalization for NOT maximizing your aesthetic appeal

 

[Giovanni SouthSide]

Everything matters.

Your looks, your attitude, your confidence, your charisma, your aura, your effort, your focus, your erections, your posture, your job, your car, your clothes, your teeth, your smell, your speech, your personality, your location etc.

It all matters.

Either truly love how you look, or don't give a single flying fvck. If you have any negative perceptions about yourself and looks, the insecurities will cripple your game

 

[BadBoy89]

the PUA coaches did a REALLY good job of gaslighting people into not believing their own freaking eyes!! lol

they'd give me the most insane reasons why it was happening to him (because 'girls aren't visual') and avoiding the elephant in the room! lmao

They have to give those reasons, otherwise they wouldn't stay in business. If they say your buddy got all the girls because he was "tall, dark and handsome", men wouldn't continue to go to them.

In order to make money, you have to sell hope. Give people false hope and target their problems/insecurities/desires, by creating a hoax) and then sell your false hope and solution.

US politicians on one side have learned this from their leader. Gov't:: "The City of Portland is burning to the ground!" Mayor "No no, we all good here" Gov't "We have to send the army in!" Mayor: "There is nothing happening, we are OK." Gov't "The US military will be there tomorrow morning to save you!"

Its being the Arsonist and Fireman at the same time (thank you MI5).