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I would argue looks are 80%.
I would argue looks are 80%.
It also depends upon the area / household the chick was raised. If she was dragged up in a crime ridden, impoverished sh1thole / broken home, then I’ve found that such girls are usually drug dependant and low IQ, so they’ll get with drug dealers because: 1. They get free cocaine 2. Free money / material things 3. They enjoy riding on coattails of his status 4. Drama and chaos is all they know, so the dangerous life of a dealer / gangster gives her the adrenaline rush she’s so used to.

These chicks are usually smoking hot, but they’re also a hot mess. As soon as her dealer beau gets lengthy jail time, she immediately replaces him with another one.

Essentially, these relationships are pretty much transactional (void of substance) because most of these dealers are usually ugly looking guys or average at best, and these kinds of women are just drug dependant parasites.
 

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What it accounts for is irrelevant.

If you approach 10 girls, how many do you pull? Of those you stretch out their insides, who would you call back besides busting a nut? How many are going to let themselves go the sec they have a kid and got daddy government at her beck and call? Most are regurgitating whatever feminist programming they heard and are voting away your resources.

Play your hand. Comply or bye. You aren't giga Chad or Tyrone. you don't have the luxury not to exercise volume and be high value. cut the ****. get with the program. man up. take your shots. let the chips fall where they may.
 

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A third of women will reject. Another third will flake. Another third will have interest. A miniscule amount you pull. The otherside will give digits or ig. You may go out and have no chemistry or unreconcileable differences. Inevitably, IT'S IRRELEVANT.

COMPLY OR BYE. #PULL OR #NEXT IOIs and choosing signals grant permission to approach. We're in a gynocentric world of algorithms pander to women.
Yes this is pretty much the summary of my 18 yrs of dating. Its like sales, 1/3 reject, 1/3 flake, 1/3 meh, and only a minuscule amount you pull.
 

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It also depends upon the area / household the chick was raised. If she was dragged up in a crime ridden, impoverished sh1thole / broken home, then I’ve found that such girls are usually drug dependant and low IQ, so they’ll get with drug dealers because: 1. They get free cocaine 2. Free money / material things 3. They enjoy riding on coattails of his status 4. Drama and chaos is all they know, so the dangerous life of a dealer / gangster gives her the adrenaline rush she’s so used to.

These chicks are usually smoking hot, but they’re also a hot mess. As soon as her dealer beau gets lengthy jail time, she immediately replaces him with another one.

Essentially, these relationships are pretty much transactional (void of substance) because most of these dealers are usually ugly looking guys or average at best, and these kinds of women are just drug dependant parasites.
Facts brotha. I am starting to realize that people are attracted to what they are. You didn't have real compatibility with most of the girls that rejected you. They could feel it but we tried to deny it. We were blinded because we wanted to smash. Its rare to be rejected by girls that you genuinely connect with. I was never friend zoned with girls that were mirror compliments to my personality. Some exceptions include girls that are fighting their attraction to you based on differences in race and religion. Even those girls still crave your presence.

This is a concept that has taken 35 yrs to understand. When two people meet there is an energy of compatibility that they may exude. This is what leads to her attraction. She sees herself in you. She wants to be you essentially. This is why she wants your genetic material inside her body. Ghetto trash girls like intimidating thugs because they want to be intimidating thugs. Girls that like azzholes secretly want to be azzholes.

An intelligent introspective guy will most of the time smash an intelligent introspective girl. This is because she will be a sapiosexual.
 

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Facts brotha. I am starting to realize that people are attracted to what they are. You didn't have real compatibility with most of the girls that rejected you. They could feel it but we tried to deny it. We were blinded because we wanted to smash. Its rare to be rejected by girls that you genuinely connect with. I was never friend zoned with girls that were mirror compliments to my personality. Some exceptions include girls that are fighting their attraction to you based on differences in race and religion. Even those girls still crave your presence.

This is a concept that has taken 35 yrs to understand. When two people meet there is an energy of compatibility that they may exude. This is what leads to her attraction. She sees herself in you. She wants to be you essentially. This is why she wants your genetic material inside her body. Ghetto trash girls like intimidating thugs because they want to be intimidating thugs. Girls that like azzholes secretly want to be azzholes.

An intelligent introspective guy will most of the time smash an intelligent introspective girl. This is because she will be a sapiosexual.
you attracgt what you are. I found the higher i raised my status, girls that have a low opinion of themsleves who usually would like me actually started HATING ME. Low status girls can also be incredibly hot but they view themselves as low status. This is why if a high status male in a good affluent neighborhood and usually cant get the hottest girls in that place goes to a low status neighborhood, he can get the hottest girl in the neighboorhood like its nothing.
 

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Anybody here seen that video of Jack Black in a diner trying to pay for his meal and this swooning waitress (if I recall correctly) says, "Oh no, don't worry about it I already paid for you)? Other women are cackling their devotion in the background.

Jack Black, that troll-like guy. Here's an example of how accomplishment, notoriety and perceived mastery completely trumps looks.
 

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Anybody here seen that video of Jack Black in a diner trying to pay for his meal and this swooning waitress (if I recall correctly) says, "Oh no, don't worry about it I already paid for you)? Other women are cackling their devotion in the background.

Jack Black, that troll-like guy. Here's an example of how accomplishment, notoriety and perceived mastery completely trumps looks.
well if you work on your looks now you can achieve immediate results. His level of success takes atleast a decade to achieve. If an average guy hits the gym hard, eats well, reads, and does his cardio, he can look good enough to **** 95% of chicks in 5 years if he does it consistently.
 

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Yes this is pretty much the summary of my 18 yrs of dating. Its like sales, 1/3 reject, 1/3 flake, 1/3 meh, and only a minuscule amount you pull.
Jordan Belfort talked with the Charlie podcast kids. The game popped up. it's insane how much of game is sales. in sales, you take Ls. thus is coming from among top seller in the country under 21. I swear my sales background amplified my game. It's volume. It's work. I made a killing as a young man and I crushed girls.
 

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Anybody here seen that video of Jack Black in a diner trying to pay for his meal and this swooning waitress (if I recall correctly) says, "Oh no, don't worry about it I already paid for you)? Other women are cackling their devotion in the background.

Jack Black, that troll-like guy. Here's an example of how accomplishment, notoriety and perceived mastery completely trumps looks.
But since none of us have that, nor are likely to be a celebrity, that is the exception. And somewhat moot.

Mick Jagger has to have one of the ugliest faces on the planet, but he does ok as well. Also moot.
 

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you attracgt what you are. I found the higher i raised my status, girls that have a low opinion of themsleves who usually would like me actually started HATING ME. Low status girls can also be incredibly hot but they view themselves as low status. This is why if a high status male in a good affluent neighborhood and usually cant get the hottest girls in that place goes to a low status neighborhood, he can get the hottest girl in the neighboorhood like its nothing.
Can you explain bro. You are saying a high status guy can pick up a high status girl easier?
 

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Facts brotha. I am starting to realize that people are attracted to what they are. You didn't have real compatibility with most of the girls that rejected you. They could feel it but we tried to deny it. We were blinded because we wanted to smash. Its rare to be rejected by girls that you genuinely connect with. I was never friend zoned with girls that were mirror compliments to my personality. Some exceptions include girls that are fighting their attraction to you based on differences in race and religion. Even those girls still crave your presence.

This is a concept that has taken 35 yrs to understand. When two people meet there is an energy of compatibility that they may exude. This is what leads to her attraction. She sees herself in you. She wants to be you essentially. This is why she wants your genetic material inside her body. Ghetto trash girls like intimidating thugs because they want to be intimidating thugs. Girls that like azzholes secretly want to be azzholes.

An intelligent introspective guy will most of the time smash an intelligent introspective girl. This is because she will be a sapiosexual.
Fact 200%.. For example myself could know whether the girl were same level as me within seconds
 

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Fact 200%.. For example myself could know whether the girl were same level as me within seconds
Seconds bro. Its instant. You guys feel comfortable. No awkwardness. Its a weird familiarity ( not to sound like a simp). These days I dont even pursue the girl unless that vibe is present. If that vibe is present you won't have to try hard. It will be effortless.
 

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Seconds bro. Its instant. You guys feel comfortable. No awkwardness. Its a weird familiarity ( not to sound like a simp). These days I dont even pursue the girl unless that vibe is present. If that vibe is present you won't have to try hard. It will be effortless.
None of the awkwardness there.. Pure fun, pure attraction .. Reciprocity, amazing chemistry, Chasing on each other butt looking for some missing hair.. .. Basically you cant get enough of each other.
 

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Facts brotha. I am starting to realize that people are attracted to what they are. You didn't have real compatibility with most of the girls that rejected you. They could feel it but we tried to deny it. We were blinded because we wanted to smash. Its rare to be rejected by girls that you genuinely connect with. I was never friend zoned with girls that were mirror compliments to my personality. Some exceptions include girls that are fighting their attraction to you based on differences in race and religion. Even those girls still crave your presence.

This is a concept that has taken 35 yrs to understand. When two people meet there is an energy of compatibility that they may exude. This is what leads to her attraction. She sees herself in you. She wants to be you essentially. This is why she wants your genetic material inside her body. Ghetto trash girls like intimidating thugs because they want to be intimidating thugs. Girls that like azzholes secretly want to be azzholes.

An intelligent introspective guy will most of the time smash an intelligent introspective girl. This is because she will be a sapiosexual.
Indeed. Things I've noticed now is these similarities as well with girl I'm seeing. Similar education level, driven career/business wise, socioeconomic family back grounds/areas we were raised in, both value fitness but with wild sides where we like big nights out from time to time, both have a kid of similar ages, roughly similar outlook on many things in life etc. Just clicked from day 1.

Whereas when I was briefly seeing a highly academic head mistress, just felt totally out of sync from the beginning.
 

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I caught a tail end of a podcast. Cute girl was going on a prerequisite. What she wants from a man from aesthetics, height, resources. when asked what she brings, after the kitty, she had no value to offer.

Fellas need to reframe. A miniscule amount of girls will get with your program or #next! No exception. Let's be cereal for a second. the hottest young girl won the genetic lottery. The intelligent ones (and I say intelligent loosely cause looks doesn't often equate to intelligence or effort) workout. Most are the analogy for the frog in the pot on the burner. Slow simmer. real talk, she's a donut and broken condom away from expired.

Yes. If Dicaprio with looks, rich, status it's life on easy mode. Not in the cards for most men. Get the bag. Lift. Get girls. The biggest consequences of looks obsession is the high probability of inaction. Control the controllable. Play your hand. Dhv just cause. Looks max but note the valueless elements of ROI in exchange for the kitty. My mate is a HENRY (HIGH EARNER NOT YET RICH ). He can approach and date but the cost doesn't work for him. He gladly pays for her to go. Then goes to get more money. This isn't a good idea but I get it.

Modern day women are valueless outside the kitty. It dawns on me how much time he saves on that trajectory but I think it comes with other problems. I am curious if men approached all women as if she was a escort with a price tag until proven otherwise. Every woman comes with a price be it time or money. The ROI is getting lower and lower.
 

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Indeed. Things I've noticed now is these similarities as well with girl I'm seeing. Similar education level, driven career/business wise, socioeconomic family back grounds/areas we were raised in, both value fitness but with wild sides where we like big nights out from time to time, both have a kid of similar ages, roughly similar outlook on many things in life etc. Just clicked from day 1.

Whereas when I was briefly seeing a highly academic head mistress, just felt totally out of sync from the beginning.
What you describe basically are having a same goals as your other colleagues and lots of people were doing.. Dont confuse them as having same emotional level.

Ever heard of people change all the time? Its emotional growth and an essential part of our life, being emotionally healthy and keeping priority towards your own needs wellbeing, looking deep down of your flaws, resolving your childhood traumas, are key to emotional growth..

If you can stay being alone and happy with rhe company of yourself for quite sometime, able to have a luxury time of your own and doing growth work at the same time, archiving what isnt possible when you have other company beside yourself, i would say youre a god of yourself.. Nothing will be obstacles in your line route of pursuit.
 

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Can you quote any member on here, who is average looks, who is succeeding with online dating right now?

I've noted @EyeBRollin is Black and short and bald and is succeeding with meeting women online, but not too frequently. I'll throw that in because I'm keeping tabs. Do you know anyone else to add to that?
What is the definition of "success"? I certainly have in the past, but the game has changed since most of my success was pre-Tinder (ie pre-app OLD). So I can't include myself in that.

Right now I get messages and likes but I'm not actively using them. I keep my free accounts but I'm not engaging and going for meetups. I'm sure if I responded to messages I could. I don't know if your idea of OLD success requires a certain looks level and date/bang frequency or what. But I'm thinking just based on the activity I still get passively that average guys at least aren't incel-tier if they have any social skills.
 

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nothing ground-breaking here, but was chatting to the woman i've been seeing last night, she said looks count for a lot at first, but attraction goes rapidly downhill if personality is dull or unpleasant. amazingly she's still interested in me :D
 

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To those that powerlift, dont get fat. Dont do it. You can say im doing it for myself but im going to be real, most dudes that do this are fat losers who are antisocial lol. Go for aesthetics and the shape women want. Life is short and **** as many hot ass girls as you can. **** like crazy.
 
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