Looks are more important than you think! Merged [Official thread]

[Ripper]

Call me crazy

Fine. You're crazy. Glad you realise it.

 

[Ripper]

Skip, your general problem is that you do not know how to argue properly. You cannot say things like 'I'm your livin', breathin' example' purely because we as the sosuave community have no way of verifying that. Further, you fail to add, when the situation demands it, that the following is your experience. You try to pass off your experience of the world as canon. You simply cannot do this. Moreover, there are practical issues at hand as Deus mentioned. AFC's that come here are going to get depressed seeing what you spout as the self-proclaimed truth. For them to maximise their potential (right or wrong) they have to believe that looks aren't everything (even if they are (though the overwhelming evidence to the contrary laidout in this thread says otherwise)). Furthermore, your argumentation (if you can even call it that) proclaims truths for you to be the same for everyone. In fact, the very moment someone says differently to you is the moment you lose. Precisely and only because you have tried to pass off your experience as universal.

Shouting down your opponents does not make your argument any stronger.

Nor does using ********* all the time or CAPITALS.

Most of the people on here that have some sort of beef with you, do so, I believe, from my overview of this thread and others (note that I say this is my interpretation of other people who oppose you, not that the interpretation that will follow is true) because of the way in which you try to make your points (oops, sorry, you only have one point...looks are everything..silly me).

Clearly, you have at best a limited command of the English language and virtually no conception of how logic works. As such, your comments have no credibility with us because they bear no evidence of at least some serious consideration of our valid points that are based on rationale. Go get an education then come back and start what, from the perspective of the sosuave brotherhood, should be a purely theoretical debate.

 

[Ripper]

Amen to that.

 

[skip2mylou781]

Fine. You're crazy. Glad you realise it.

glad u just joined this month and u quote me outta context

u ****in AFC, u prob dont even get laid............too bad ur so frustrated

 

[S1NN3R]

S1NNER was correct. And notice he said first off that physical attraction is necessary to get anywhere.........and "physical" attraction comes from a girl wanting ur body and wantin to kiss u, because she loves the way u look

I said nothing of the sort, you twit. I specifically and clearly stated that a girl must be attracted to you which I followed directly with attraction is based on more than just looks. Attraction is quite simply a girl's desire to be with you on various levels, and a girl can be attracted to any number of things, not just looks. For all but the most shallow of girls, you can have good enough game and personality to compensate what you're lacking in looks

Let's say for the sake of visualization that your personality and game is one drinking glass and your looks are another glass the same size. To get the girl attracted to you, you have to fill her attraction glass that's also the same size as each of your glasses. Now if your personality glass is half full and your looks glass is half full, you can successfully fill her glass to the point that she is completely attracted to you. But by the same token a full looks glass or a full personality glass can also fill her attraction glass by itself. Once her attraction glass is full, all that's left is sticking in your old c0cktail umbrella and you're golden.

When you realize that all you have to do is fill her glass the right amount with a combination of everything that you have to work with, you'll start filling a lot of other things on Saturday nights, if you know what I mean.

 

[Ripper]

glad u just joined this month and u quote me outta context

u ****in AFC, u prob dont even get laid............too bad ur so frustrated

Thank you for proving me right.

 

[tr0ublemaker]

Depends on the girl, really. If it's your stereotypical dumb b!tch who stays in clubs more than she stays in her home, looks are the most important because she's a shallow, unintelligent, b!tch.

But yeah, if you're an average looking guy, but have other attractive features about yourself, you can land an unshallow, intelligent, HB9 any day.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

You're right. I'm not a very good judge. This is why I ask female friends and coworkers to gauge a man's looks. This is how I know that an ugly man is with a beautiful woman. Both of your hugeass posts are based on the assumption that I'm making my own judgments. Oops?

ooooh, your female co-worker spotted an ugly guy with a hot chick!!! shocking!! see the part of the theory that states there is variance with women's tastes. the same guy will be ugly to some women, and cute or hot to others. Theres a real good chance that the girl he was with personally thought he was good looking, thats why shes his GF! This anecdotal example of yours is consistent with the looks theory, not inconsistent. try again man, try and cherry pick more evidence becuase you want to make the theory look wrong. :moon:

-Women require a guy to be good looking or nothing will work, nothing except attempting rape.

You're crazy. Personality and confidence are number 1, which is debatable. Fame, money, and cars will also work...which is not. Do you seriously think the only unattractive/average men that get chicks are rapists? Seriously, dude? Come on, you don't really believe that.

lol
money, fame, cars, revenge on her ex, motivated to piss her parents off, the list goes on..etc. THese are classified as calculated motives to get with a guy. THese cases are not considered, they dont really count as authentic hookups and are not representative of the true reason why men get sex or why women get with a guy. The theory explains the true reason, not these artificial hook-ups based on a calculated motive. again, these cases are not counted. THe theory is only concearned with explaining what truly attracts women to men, money and such doesnt attract women, women dont get turned on by it. Although some women will hook-up with a guy on the pre-meditated intent of getting some of his cheese, or to achieve some hidden goal, like sleeping her way to the top. some good looking women use thier bodies as a tool to get what they want meterially. Prostitution is a more obvious example of this. THe theory isnt concearned with these cases nor does it try to explain them, theyre artificial hook ups, who cares about those.

Ugly guys are just as likely to have good game as a good looking one, so we should expect to see some fugly guys getting hot chicks do to their game. But we dont.

Really? I do. Maybe you should get out more.

Really? so you see plenty of obesse fat assed blobs who are hairy all over and just are disgusting, who are basically seen as fugly to 100% of the female population banging hot chicks? damn dude, where do you live?, what parrallel universe are you in cus I wanna go there, women over there must be just giving themselves away to anyone who wants ass. cool!

I dare you to poll as many hot chicks you can who have BFs and ask them if they think there BF is good looking, THey will all say yes.

I talked to a chick on Wednesday that said her boyfriend wasn't cute. When my girlfriend said, "He's kinda cute.", she said "No. Not really." There goes that.

okay, something tells me this chick you talked to on wednesday was either not good looking or average looking. THeres a good chance Im correct since most women are average looking, and this is some arbitrary female testimonial your giving here. I would expect an ugly/average looking chick to have a boyfriend with an ugly/average looking guy. Nothing shocking there. One thing the theory doesnt emphasise is that it applies to good looking women only. average chicks to ugly chicks it doesnt apply, why? becuase ugly chicks lower there standards and will fvck a guy they see as ugly, becuase they have to. they arent in high demand by men, so they pretty much get what they can get.

Observations are consistent with skips theory.

Sure, maybe in his 'hood where looks matter. It's different here in California, and until both of you come out here...I'm the only one qualified to make judgements based on observations. And, there goes that.

Im so sure cali is so different from the rest of the US. Im sure its a different culture with a totally different standard of beauty. In fact, Im also sure women over there work differently than the rest of the US, hell they probably dont even care about looks over there, its a different planet over there aint it?...end sarcasm.

well, there goes that.

Give it up people. accept it, looks matter. women are just like men in this respect. You gotta be attractive in their eyes.

Yeah, because all the PUA's are just so ridiculously good-looking. :crackup:

actually, yeah, they are. Most guys out there who get tons of ass are consired good looking to a large portion of the female population. Since they get lots of ass, that qualifies them as PUAs dont it? THe PUAs your trying to use as a counterpoint are those geeky fags from mASF and this dork infested board. News flash, queers like mystery and Tyler durden and other dorks who claim to be PUAs are not representative of men who get lots of ass. the typical guy who gets lots of ass is a. good looking to alot of women b. not dorky, weird or geeky. usually more cool someone you might wanna party with. :crackup:

 

[Donnest]

Not really. You need to watch those videos of those average-looking dudes picking up hot women...again.

Deus, from what you wrote in your posts it actually appears like you DO feel looks is the crucial part in obtaining true HBs, but it seems like you want to argue otherwise just for...the sake of arguing you know?

 

[skip2mylou781]

S1NNER - you and your geeky little examples and the way you talk realllllly make me wonder whether your just some kind DORK........a player wouldn't be talking like you


Deux - a girl would not date a guy who was not good looking in her eyes - can you argue with that?

God Of Getting Laid - you seem to be better at making my point than I am....u sure this is my theory and not urs? lol

RIPPER - what does education have to do with getting laid?? I TOLD U ITS ALL ABOUT LOOKS

the gf's that ive had, they all end up basically obsessing over me...why? I am not that special personality-wise, in fact i whine like an AFC sometimes, I act somewhat needy, yes i have my very smooth moments, aka very ****y, very funny, very sweet, very romantic.....in the end my personality is just kinda there...............and what keeps different girls always obsessed over me or wantin to fvck me all the time? THEY THINK I AM JUST SOOO CUTE/HANDSOME/HOT

what I have just described above, this applies to about 20 different girls in the last 3 years. There are also numerous random hookups that happened because the girl couldnt resist my looks.........seriously, all these chicks i ever get, they WANT me to kiss them, and they WANT to be naked with me........cuz they LIKE HOW I LOOK. The only other things that I do that get me laid like this would be a)isolating them where its us 1 on 1, b)always making the 1st move and just general proper use of escalation, c)girls love to drink and b tipsyyy

SERIOUSLY, bottom line here - be good looking and be sexual

God Of Getting laid, i kno ur gonna hate me a lil bit for this, but i think combining our looks theory with DonJuanForever's Sexual State theory, we basically come across on THE ULTIMATE theory of how to get women

 

[S1NN3R]

S1NNER - you and your geeky little examples and the way you talk realllllly make me wonder whether your just some kind DORK........a player wouldn't be talking like you

Glad you realize that. I'm not a player and damned proud of it. I get laid plenty without having to resort to the childish push-pull games and outright deceptions that players rely on.

But let me tell you, I do love how everytime sombody says something that totally refutes your so-called theory and you can't pull anymore bullsh!t out of your ass to unsuccessfully try to prove them wrong, you just resort to personal attacks (or at least what you think is an attack, personally being called a non-player is the biggest compliment that a mental midget like yourself could say to me).

 

[S1NN3R]

but i think combining our looks theory with DonJuanForever's Sexual State theory, we basically come across on THE ULTIMATE theory of how to get women

Yeah dude, between those two powerhouse ideas, you might come upon the Holy Grail of pick-up artistry of the elusive 4% success rate!!

 

[skip2mylou781]

who cares about %??? Id rather be the guy that fvcks 3/100 girls that i approached in a week, than be the guy that fvcked 10/10 girls that he approaches IN A YEAR

 

[Cod3r]

I just realized this thread will never end...


Hilarious



-Cod3r

 

[skip2mylou781]

Let me make a revised argument (my original argument is 100% true in my eyes, but here is a similar argument which all the disagreers can understand better):

While on the path to improving oneself, and making one self more desirable to the best looking women, I notice ALOT of guys make the mistake of reading books, developing inner game, gettign hobbies, ect ect, but they forget to improve their looks!!!

IMPROVING LOOKS IS PART OF SELF-IMPROVEMENT. If you are too skinny or too out of shape, there is NO excuse to not wanna go to the gym to improve your looks.........if your clothes are ugly and old, there is NO excuse to upgrade how you dress.....same goes for hair.

Overlooking the need to improve ones looks WILL hinder their game. This is why i stress such importance on LOOKS being the key to the door that get you laid/dates/gfs/fcuk buddies, or whatever.

 

[S1NN3R]

who cares about %??? Id rather be the guy that fvcks 3/100 girls that i approached in a week, than be the guy that fvcked 10/10 girls that he approaches IN A YEAR

Who the hell says that guy can only approach 10 girls a year? I could bang ten girls this week because I use what works instead of making up half-assed crackpot theories that don't jive with reality.

Tell me something, if you think you look so good AND you think that looks are all that matters, then why is it that 98 of every 100 girls you approach don't go for it? Why is it that you get blocked as a spammer if you think that all you need on MySpace is good pictures? If you think that looks are all that matters then it shouldn't matter what you say to any of those girls, they should just be all up on your nutsack immediately. Why did your oneitis give you the cold shoulder if she was initially attracted to your looks. If nothing else mattered and your looks didn't change, then her feelings shouldn't have changed either. Why is it that ANY girl rejects your advances if you think you look so hot, since you say that looking hot is the only thing that will get you girls?

So either your theory is right and 98% of your approaches fail because those girls think you're butt-fcuking ugly to be datable, or your theory is wrong and you're hot but girls reject you because in fact, your hottness is overshadowed by your complete lack of game. I'll let you pick which one is the truth.

 

[skip2mylou781]

u should know very well Mr S1NNER that before taking looks into consideration, you gotta take into consideration THE GIRLS YOU ARE DEALING WITH.

Out of 100 gorgeous girls on the street/clubs/myspace, the following could easily be true

50 have boyfriends
30 already are fvcking 5 different guys (spinnign plates)
5 are emotionalyl scarred and hate men
15 are somewhat normal

so, outta those 15 gorgeous beautiful girls, i can get 2 or 3 because to THOSE GIRLS, i look like a 9 or a 10, while to the other 12 girls, i might look like a 5 or a 6, which is below what theyde wanna even bother going for.

The other 85 are disqualified for other reasons.

and FYI, when i say i get 3/100 girls, i am NOT talking about cold approaches, I AM TALKING ABOUT MYSPACE SPAMMING (which apparently i cannot do anymore tear tear)

once I get a girl's cell #, my f-close rate is about 20%........and if i have a girl on a date, due to her being attracted to my looks, my f-close rate is more like 75%

k? thanks S1Nboy

 

[Ripper]

RIPPER - what does education have to do with getting laid?? I TOLD U ITS ALL ABOUT LOOKS

The education is so you can argue properly. I never claimed it has anything to do with getting laid. Clearly you can't read properly (which at the age of 22 is pretty embarrassing...) thus bringing us back to the original point. Learn how to use english properly if you want to perpetuate this 'looks are everything' myth.

 

[skip2mylou781]

you do realize that guys who are confrontational and argue too much trying to look smart will have more women HATE them than FVCK them.

The fact that you make such a big deal on arguing properly makes you look like you think you're too smart for your own good aka a geek.

how many girls have u fvcked in ur life ripper?

 

[Ripper]

you do realize that guys who are confrontational and argue too much trying to look smart will have more women HATE them than FVCK them.

Yes I do realise. That's why I don't argue 'too much trying to look smart' with women.

The fact that you make such a big deal on arguing properly makes you look like you think you're too smart for your own good aka a geek.

The middle part of this sentence doesn't make any sense.

how many girls have u fvcked in ur life ripper?

13. And I'm 20...

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