"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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sunday night chat topic:
Spring Fever- Get off your ASS and get in shape!

tonight!
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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What an abortion.

New topic.
 

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Why create topics if it's not going to be discussed? I've noticed that the trend is to have 10 or more different members having three different conversations going at the same time. It's confusing and a waste of time, imo. Last night, for example, the conversation turned into how to COOK MEAT. I think the topics are good, but I joined in last night preparing to talk about being physically active. I didn't want to share recipes for crissakes. That's what foodtv.com is for. I mean, it's not as if there's a "DJ" way to braise your steak. You can get that information anywhere. Don't clog up the live chat.

If this is how live chat is going to go, we should create TWO chat rooms: one designated for the chosen topic, and one designated as a "social lounge," if you will, to just shoot the breeze and talk about off-topic items. Too many people talking about off-topic shyt creates unnecessary lag in the chat room, which contributes to more chat confusion.
 

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Magma said:
Why create topics if it's not going to be discussed? I've noticed that the trend is to have 10 or more different members having three different conversations going at the same time. It's confusing and a waste of time, imo. Last night, for example, the conversation turned into how to COOK MEAT. I think the topics are good, but I joined in last night preparing to talk about being physically active. I didn't want to share recipes for crissakes. That's what foodtv.com is for. I mean, it's not as if there's a "DJ" way to braise your steak. You can get that information anywhere. Don't clog up the live chat.

If this is how live chat is going to go, we should create TWO chat rooms: one designated for the chosen topic, and one designated as a "social lounge," if you will, to just shoot the breeze and talk about off-topic items. Too many people talking about off-topic shyt creates unnecessary lag in the chat room, which contributes to more chat confusion.
last night alot of people were talking about work out routines and fitness but probably before you got in there, as many people were an hour or so early for chat last night.
i think they began talking about food because someone asked what to eat to bulk up, and then others were asking particular food items that were good for you like is steak or chicken better for your health when you are doing such and such routines .
however, i was in and out and can not say exactly what all was said.

usually in any chat room, most people will stay on topic but you will always have someone that doesn't.

perhaps we could remind everyone to stay on topic during a topic discussion and when the discussion is over, everyone can chit chat again.

so far, everyone kinda takes turns suggesting topics that would be helpful to others. if you have a topic suggestion, either update the thread or shoot me a pm.

a few guys mentioned last night that they would love to come back to chat and help on fitness again, i will update everyone when i know more.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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alright everyone...
tomorrow's sunday night chat will feature the topic of "laws of attraction"
i hope you all will come.
the chat will be at 6 pm so that more people can attend.

i will ask that everyone stay on topic during the discussion for about an hour, then when the topic finishes up, everyone is free to stay and discuss any other topics that they want to, and chit chat!
that way the members that are only there for the chat can leave when it is over.

come chime in with us!!
 

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It's 8 pm EST here, and we're in chat talking about Law of Attraction and positive mental attitudes.
 

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The thread title needs to at least have a date. Is there a live chat tonight? (Monday, April 14th) There should be because this thread title says "live sosuave chat: Tonight's topic:" I must have clicked on this thread at least 6-7 times now only to discover that "tonight" meant some other day already past.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Well it gets bumped usually everytime there is a chat so at that time, technically it usually is tonight. However after 4-5 times, you think you'd learn.
 

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MacAvoy said:
However after 4-5 times, you think you'd learn.
Learn what, exactly? I don't come here every single day.

If i see it near the top, I click on it to see if tonight means "tonight" and so far, it hasn't for me.
 

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azanon said:
The thread title needs to at least have a date. Is there a live chat tonight? (Monday, April 14th) There should be because this thread title says "live sosuave chat: Tonight's topic:" I must have clicked on this thread at least 6-7 times now only to discover that "tonight" meant some other day already past.
Originally it didn't say "tonight". That was modified a week or two ago.

All organized "official" chats are on Sundays at 10pm EDT (-5 GMT). However, on occasion posters will use this thread to make an impromptu announcement that a discussion is taking place using the free chat room.

The chat room is open 24/7 to those who are registered to access it. penkitten is the admin and you'll need to win her over before she gives you a key to the room. (I hear she's into chocolate.)
 

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this sunday night's topic
4-20-08 10pm eastern
Paradox's How do women process regret?
lead by Paradox himself...
be there !
 

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penkitten said:
this sunday night's topic
4-20-08 10pm eastern
Paradox's How do women process regret?
lead by Paradox himself...
be there !
Hmmmm
iqqi said:
Women regret same as men.

I know a lot of women who would think the exact opposite of the OP. They think WE are the ones that stew and analyze, while men are only occupied with the "real time".
I agree with Iqqi here. Why is it so hard to believe that women think the same as men nowadays? Maybe in previous times when men and women lived completely different lives but nowadays the only difference in their lives is giving birth and bleeding every couple of weeks imo. Once you see the thought process behind women KNOWING they are the prize and always having men at their beck and call is it not understandable why they act the way they do?
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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penkitten said:
this sunday night's topic
4-20-08 10pm eastern
Paradox's How do women process regret?
lead by Paradox himself...
be there !
I'll try to be there, eyes propped open with toothpicks like Bean.
 

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Ooops. Sorry... I totally forgot. I was so busy working that it totally slipped my mind. I am so busy...I'll put it in my palm so I really don't miss it this Sunday.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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