"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Lets Settle This: HB Scale Comparison

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I thought the first girl was an 8 or possibly a 9, altho I can't see her whole body.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Wait wait wait You think Eva Longoria is a TEN!!! Are you f'ing kidding me????

Not only is she short as hell, but that pic is so airbrushed and she has tons of makeup on. Hollywood is notorious for making average girls look hot. You want to see what Eva looks like without all that crap? Here ya go. 6 at best. AT BEST! I see better looking girls walking around the mall every day, without the airbrushing and makeup.

http://www.tmz.com/media/2006/07/longoria_2.jpg

http://www.thesuperficial.com/images/2006/06/eva-longoria-crash-honeymoon.jpg

http://www.americangirl.co.uk/images/eva_longoria25_300.jpg

http://www.theblogyoulovetohate.com/images/small/Eva-Longoria-Sunglasses.jpg
 

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What makes you think people should use your system?

Plus, your jumps from 3-4 and 7-8 are too large.
 

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I'd say a six for the first girl. Just looks too average for me, she's cute, but that's all. That ten would be like a 6 or 7 in my book, just goes to show you that people have different taste.
 

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That first girl imo is really cute. Very girl next store lookish. Solid 8.

The girl you have rated an 8 is imo a solid 9.
 
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"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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You seriously need to get out more mate. Each person has their own scale. For me, the first girl is an 8....and in your scale thing, I think your eight is hotter than your 10...and you can't say I'm wrong cos its MY scale. :rolleyes:

And lol at that the guy rating that asian chick as a 7. Yea OK. I get what you're doing: "I'm unaffected by looks, I'm alpha, I've had much better" Please mate grow up...if a girl is hot she's hot, there's no shame in admitting it. For example, I told this HB9 (im my opinion)that I met last night that she was beautiful....did it work against me? No. I got to 3rd base after knowing her for like 3 hours....although I am a sexy bastard with a British accent!! :D
 

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How would you feel if you knew some chick put a picture of you on the internet and had a bunch of anonymous strangers rating your physical appearance?

Anyway, everyone is different. If we all had the same tastes and interests this world would be boring.

The whole concept behind this thread makes me sick though. So why am I posting in it?

Interesting.
 

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The gap from 7 to 8 is too large imo. The first girl I would rate a HB5-. Saying she is a 7 is incomprehensible to me.

The thing is that there are ALOT more girls who are normal/goodlooking than girls who are ugly. So in order to seperate those girls, you have to be able to put them into more categories (numbers). the way your scale goes, puts almost all normal/cute girls into 6 or 7 category, even though they differ alot regarding attractiveness.

My scale is strict. When a girl is ugly, she's ugly. So it's easier to put ugly girls into the same category than the betterlooking ones..

If i hook up with what I consider an HB4, I don't get embarresed about that. It's acceptable. She's ok-looking, maybe even somewhat cute. But there are so many girls that are betterlooking and there has to be ways to seperate them aswell, instead of calling them all HB7's. My HB4's will be rated by some friends as HB7's. Then a girl that is hell of a lot prettier comes along, where do you put her?? You only have 2 more categories left..(No one is a 10. There is no such thing as perfection)
 

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Yeah, I still say the first girl is better-looking than most of the girls you ranked 8-10. I think you're giving girls too many bonus points for being skinny. Imo, excessive skinniness (as found in many models) is a turn-off.


My scale is strict. When a girl is ugly, she's ugly.
Your scale is somewhat flawed. Traditionally, any girl who is bad-looking is supposed to rank below 5. A five is someone who is kinda neutral-looking. Therefore, if you tell us you are dating a UG4, we are right in laughing at you. ;)

Seven is cute. Six is somewhere in-between cute and neutral. 6-7 is about average in most populations of young girls. (If you had a school where lots of fat girls went, then the average would be lower. Conversely, a place with lots of attractive people would have a higher average.)
 

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we have different standards really...

i disagree with your scaling...
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Obsidian said:
Your scale is somewhat flawed. Traditionally, any girl who is bad-looking is supposed to rank below 5. A five is someone who is kinda neutral-looking. Therefore, if you tell us you are dating a UG4, we are right in laughing at you. ;)
This only applies under the assumption that there are just as many ugly/unattractive girls as there are normal/cute/goodlooking girls. This is just not correct. Most girls out there are normal looking, and there are alot of cute/pretty girls around. It's more seldom that you see a really really ugly girl, than when you see a pretty, sexy girl. Atleast in Scandinavia, where I live this is true. I know that in some other countries there are many badlooking girls, so this is affected by where you live.

My last girlfriend was an HB7. I bet atleast 80% of the guys on this forum would rate her a 9... You are too "nice" with your grading.
 

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well, I agree with you. That's why I said the average girl is about a 6-7 (which is somewhat cute). I don't believe it's a normal distribution with five being the mean score.

There may or may not be a normal distribution, but five is definitely not the center of the bell curve. As you said, there are more 9s and 10s than there are 1s and 2s.
 

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Yeah, it's because we have different taste mostly likely. Like I'm more into blonde girls, yet the guy who made the topic clearly isn't. I mean here are pictures of what'd I rank girls...

HB5:
http://www.bullz-eye.com/Models/200303Mary/Mary-19.jpg

HB6:
http://www.gadgetell.com/images/062006/newfirefoxmascot.jpg

HB7:
http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images..._sexy_girl_sexy_women_sexy_nude_sexy_babe.jpg

HB8:
http://www.bullz-eye.com/Models/200310Stacy/Stacy-18.jpg

HB9:
http://www.vegasinsider.com/images/model_images/denise6.jpg

HB10:
Don't know.

I'd honestly rank most celebrity girls in the 6-7 range unless they're like really hot. To me, one of the most important things when ranking a girl is her face. Like if she's got a cute face, good personality, but doesn't really have much of an ass or anything, I'd still screw her. But if she's not that good looking and does have those features though, I'd have to decide.
 

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I put more emphasis on the body because you can actually do something to change it.

As for your scale Elstud, all the girls there rate the same imo. 5 and 6 look exactly alike, 8 and 9 look alike and 7 is forbidden =P
 

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agreed. I think ElStud's scale is kinda absurd.

A woman doesn't have to be a super-model to rank a 7.

And she definitely doesn't have to be anorexic to be beautiful.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Obsidian said:
agreed. I think ElStud's scale is kinda absurd.

A woman doesn't have to be a super-model to rank a 7.

And she definitely doesn't have to be anorexic to be beautiful.
See what I mean, different people have different taste. That's how I rank girls. My ideal women is probably either a blonde or brunette girl who's thin, has a cute face, a decent ass and nice feet. Though if she's chubby, but she's still got a nice body and a nice face, I can go for that(Like this one girl I liked named Marissa).
 

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How would you feel if you knew some chick put a picture of you on the internet and had a bunch of anonymous strangers rating your physical appearance?

Anyway, everyone is different. If we all had the same tastes and interests this world would be boring.

The whole concept behind this thread makes me sick though. So why am I posting in it?

Interesting.
I'd be flattered.

But they were on google.

If I typed 'boy' into google and my picture was in the first four pages I might have that fixed...
 
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*stands*
I propose that this thread become required reading to get an account.
 

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I wouldn't have anything to worry about. :D
 

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Alkali said:
I'd be flattered.

But they were on google.

If typed 'boy' into google and my picture was in the first four pages I might have that fixed...
Well that's good. Sometimes a guy will be like "what about this chick I just met here's her picture" and to me, that's just f'ed up.

I went back and re-read your post. Even though it's superficial, I have to admit it was pretty damn funny.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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