"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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leaving 15-20 min after sex

blueline

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So, I have a ****buddy setup going on now. I have never done this before. I have big problems with giving away affection and then developing feelings for a girl.

I can **** without emotional attachment, but it's the cuddling that hurts me. So, what do I do? Keep the cuddling to a minimum of 10-15 minutes and then just walk away?
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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PectoralisMajor

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Do whatever you like.

if she's a f&ck buddy, she will understand you have to go and f*ck someone else right?
 

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blueline said:
So, I have a ****buddy setup going on now. I have never done this before. I have big problems with giving away affection and then developing feelings for a girl.

I can **** without emotional attachment, but it's the cuddling that hurts me. So, what do I do? Keep the cuddling to a minimum of 10-15 minutes and then just walk away?
Cuddling is an Oxycontin thing that develops attachment. Don't do it if you only want to keep it an informal FB/FWB relationship. I'm trying to find the Roissy article that talks about it atm.


EDIT
Not the article I'm looking for, but it kinda touches on the underlying point:

http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/a-fail-safe-way-to-get-hand/
 

IamJosan

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You don't have to cuddle. Just do what I do. Look at the time, then say "Wow it's late I gotta go." Then you leave and everything is cool. :)
 

Packers2010

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i never used to leave that early next morning. mostly.

but then again i would get up to take a piss and she would ask where i was going. lol
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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When I was a teenager I loved this girl for years and only got her once and she made me leave after. Then years later I slept with her again and I left 15 minutes later. She never got over it. That was 9 years ago and she still to this day is in love with me.

"Under my thumb, the girl who once pushed me around".
 
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