"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Kiss Closing Easier than Number Closing

AbsolutBeirut

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Based on the past two days, that was the case with me. Girls I pulled happened to be on the dancefloor and I grinded with them so hot-n-heavy that we eventually started kissing. Unfortunately that puts me in a fool's mate situation as no conversation trickled between us and thus no comfort. At some point she joins back with her friends or excuses herself away. We all know that here she is ditching me. It forces me to have to follow her in order to continue where I left off. Usually that comes accross as AFC and never works out as I want it. What I want is to advance by getting a lay or a Day 2. What is keeping me from getting there? what I am doing wrong?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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J-Bone

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did you try to isolate her somewhere shortly after talking for some rapport?
 

AbsolutBeirut

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problem is that we never got to talking at all. I was so enjoying the dancing with her that I was afraid that if I suggested we go outside to talk, shed say No and I would end up with nothing.
 

kdnash82

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I understand your pain. There have been times where I have kissed closed with no number to follow. No conversation at all. Then she'll disappear and I won't ever see her again.

Usually what I alwasy try to remember to do is at some point while we're dancing or kissing, I'll pull away and hand her my cell. They'll either put their number in there right away, or give me some crap about how they don't give out their number. If the latter, I simply shrug and walk away.
 

jamescr73

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probably happened because they were drunk, and didnt give you their number because their boyfriend would be pissed off. Chalk it up as some free action, and move on to the next.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Obsidian

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Hors can be tricky beasts to master. What you have to do is dance with her for about 4 songs, kiss her on the neck and also on the lips (duration: maybe ten minutes), and then tell her you should head back to your place for drinks. If you have danced with her and kinoed her correctly, then by this point she will quite possibly be putty in your hands.
 

frisco

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You were too into the moment, Grinding danceing was the only thing on your mind, At this point you could just take her hand and say "i want to talk to you for a sec..... before i leave " Take her to a quiet area and start off with comfort, Such As asking her somthing like "So what did you want to be when you were seven", then go from there.
 
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