IVLVS Field Journal

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

So you recommend when women show low interest from the beginning to directly communicate a sexual desire?

Not quite.

You communicate sexual desire from the beginning, as a way to measure (or flat out determine) a woman's interest level in you.

You will prevent flakes if you don't this...because if the woman doesn't want to have sex with you, then you wouldn't take her out on a date anyway...correct?

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

You will filter out low interest women, but you'll also filter out a significant amount of high interest women as well since it's unnecessary and some will be put off by this.

@ivlvs_veridivs You would have saw this anyway, but I still needed to tag you.

Because this is important.

Now pay attention to what he said.

He said...

".. you'll filter out a significant amount of high interest (women) as well, since it's unnecessary and some will be put off by it".

Newsflash: A woman who has HIGH sexual interest in you, won't be put off by your sexual advances.

If she has high sexual interest in you, why the FUK would she be put off by your sexual advances?

If she is put off by your sexual advances, she never had high sexual interest in you.

Essentially this is throwing the baby out with the bathwater or using a sledgehammer instead of a scalpel.

It will work, but you will also sacrifice a lot of lays in the process that you would have gotten if you just played it cool and escalated when the time called for it (which can be different times with different women).

A couple of things here...

1. Dude just followed your advice. He played it cool. He was patient. He was moving slow & steady.

He was Mr. Nice Guy.

And what happened? He still got flaked on.

Your advice doesn't (and won't) prevent the flake.

My advice (Mode One) does, and will.

.......


2. Advice such as yours is beta.

Waiting for the "right time" to escalate, is following the woman's lead.

Ain't you the man in this situation?

Shouldnt the woman follow the man's lead?

You don't wait for her to decide if/when the time is right for you to escalate.

As the man, YOU decide if/when the time is right, not her.

And a woman who is HIGHLY interested in you, will follow your lead.

Period.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

@ivlvs_veridivs You would have saw this anyway, but I still needed to tag you.

Because this is important.

Now pay attention to what he said.

He said...

".. you'll filter out a significant amount of high interest (women) as well, since it's unnecessary and some will be put off by it".

Newsflash: A woman who has HIGH sexual interest in you, won't be put off by your sexual advances.

If she has high sexual interest in you, why the FUK would she be put off by your sexual advances?

If she is put off by your sexual advances, she never had high sexual interest in you.



A couple of things here...

1. Dude just followed your advice. He played it cool. He was patient. He was moving slow & steady.

He was Mr. Nice Guy.

And what happened? He still got flaked on.

Your advice doesn't (and won't) prevent the flake.

My advice (Mode One) does, and will.

.......


2. Advice such as yours is beta.

Waiting for the "right time" to escalate, is following the woman's lead.

Ain't you the man in this situation?

Shouldnt the woman follow the man's lead?

You don't wait for her to decide if/when the time is right for you to escalate.

As the man, YOU decide if/when the time is right, not her.

And a woman who is HIGHLY interested in you, will follow your lead.

Period.

80+ lays from OLD within a 7 year period which includes 3 separate times of being more or less exclusive with one woman, that probably accounted for over 3 years of that says my way is pretty viable regardless of how you want to analyze it.

But it also helps when you go to a first date in a dry-fit shirt with your abs showing through it like big slabs of ribs.

Do not confuse having social tact with being Mr. Nice Guy. I'm not in Half-Baked

 

[Sega Genesis]

you will also sacrifice a lot of lays in the process that you would have gotten if you just played it cool and escalated when the time called for it (which can be different times with different women).

As a woman @ivlvs_veridivs, this^^ 100% Even if/when I feel sexually attracted.

There are many reasons why, read more of this forum re what other men experience and understanding feminine nature (sexually and generally). I don't have time to explain now it's much too nuanced and complex.

Not saying @We_ArE_VeNOM "Mode One" doesn't work. It does and will on certain women regardless of whether she is sexually attracted or not.

Meaning, many women who are quick to jump in the sack with a man she "just" met, do so for validation, approval or ego so don't assume her immediate compliance has anything to do with you.

Not all, some women have no or very little boundaries and/or can enjoy sex for sex but imo (again as a woman) your chances of having sex are greater if you are aware of timing, understanding female nature, patience and respect

I am not talking about spending money, simply suggest a low key date and talk to her, get-to know her a little bit and have her get to know you. Many women place value on that and it allows them to feel safer (emotionally and physically) and as such more open to having sex with you.

Try to connect with her mind and her emotions; the brain is actually the largest sexual organ in the body. Not your muscles or your d*ck.

Personally I am not offended by Venom's style because it let's ME know where his head is at and what HE is wanting and values... and as such if I (or any woman) is seeking something more substantial than a fast lay or ONS I will reject his advances and HIM. Again no matter how sexually attracted I might be..

Thus not wasting my time just as HE is not wasting his. It goes both ways.

Don't be tone deaf to these differences and nuances and you will be fine.

Good luck man.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

80+ lays from OLD within a 7 year period which includes 3 separate times of being more or less exclusive with one woman, that probably accounted for over 3 years of that says my way is pretty viable regardless of how you want to analyze it.

I'm sure it is viable, based on the program you're running.

But allow me to analyze further...

Because taken at face value, 80+ women does seem like a nice body count over a 7 year stretch.

But things ain't always what they seem.

The flex isn't based on the quantity of the body count...but the quality of it.

And quality isn't based on the physical appearances of the women, either.

The quality is based up the arrangements of those encounters.

For example..of those 80+ lays, how many of those women..

1. Made you wait to get the puzzy?
2. Made you pay for the puzzy?

Or, of the 80+ lays..

1. Did any of those women require you to spend any amount of money on them (dates, clothes, borrowed or lent money, food, bills, etc)...was any of those things requested or required of you, before you slept with them...and did you comply?

2. Did you offer or volunteer any money or resources to any of those women...whether for dates or any of the things mentioned above?

Obviously, I don't know you personally, but based on what I've seen from you (especially from advice you've given on this thread alone), it's safe to assume you've answered yes to either of those questions.

Thus, some (if not most) of your lay count is not of good quality.

If your sleeping with a woman, was based on your following of her program (and/or you following what you think her program is)....then even if you sleep with her, you've still taken an L.

It's a clear cut case of winning the battle, but losing the war.
.....

And yes, to the point you made earlier...the standards, guidelines, and principles (particularly of Mode One)...it does mean that I will (and have) lost out on many opportunities to sleep with many women because of it.

But, if the act of sleeping with women is based on their terms and not my own, then I don't want it and will gladly turn it down.

However, it makes the women that I DO sleep with so much more special....because as I am in the puzzy I can think to myself..

"I have her in this position, based on her compliance to MY terms. I lead her, and she followed".

Compliance. Cooperation. You lead. They follow.

That is where the W is.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

As a woman @ivlvs_veridivs, this^^ 100% Even if/when I feel sexually attracted.

Um, respectfully..attraction (and interest) is a spectrum.

We are not talking just mere attraction, but rather; high sexual attraction.

Keyword: high.

Not saying @We_ArE_VeNOM "Mode One" doesn't work. It does and will on certain women regardless of whether she is sexually attracted or not.

Not only does Mode One work, it would have worked.

Had he went Mode One, the flake(s) that we are sitting here discussing on this very thread, would not have had the chance to occur.

Mode One doesn't leave any wiggle room for assumptions, speculations, or conjecture.

That is the power of being direct.

Meaning, many women who are quick to jump in the sack with a man she "just" met, do so for validation, approval or ego so don't assume her immediate compliance has anything to do with you.

Um, it doesn't matter what her agenda is in the situation...as long as she is complying with what you, as the man, wants to make happen.

Not all, some women have no or very little boundaries and/or can enjoy sex for sex but imo (again as a woman) your chances of having sex are greater if you are aware of timing, understanding female nature, patience and respect

1. Timing
2. Patience
3. Respect

Neither of these things can/will prevent flakes...which is what occured in his situation.

I am not talking about spending money, simply suggest a low key date and talk to her, get-to know her a little bit and have her get to know you.

Irrelevant and a complete waste of time.

Many women place value on that and it allows them to feel safer (emotionally and physically) and as such more open to having sex with you.

Yeah, and as men, we should place value on our time ..and we should adopt guidelines and standards to ensure that our time isn't being wasted by dealing with women who aren't highly interested in us.

Try to connect with her mind and her emotions; the brain is actually the largest sexual organ in the body. Not your muscles or your d*ck.

Personally I am not offended by Venom's style because it let's ME know where his head is at and what HE is wanting and values... and as such if I (or any woman) is seeking something more substantial than a fast lay or ONS I will reject his advances and HIM. Again no matter how sexually attracted I might be..

Thus not wasting my time just as HE is not wasting his. It goes both ways.

But the difference is, you would have gladly accepted a dinner date with some poor smuck...and once the date was over and for whatever reason, it was decided that you two are incompatible.

You wasted the time...and he wasted the time AND money.

The difference between me and the poor smuck is, we wouldn't have made it to dinner..had you failed Mode One with me.

 

[Sega Genesis]

I said nothing about spending money @We_ArE_VeNOM (which seems to be your major gripe). In fact I said the opposite - you don't have to spend money especially on a first meet/date.. And a woman who is interested in you as a man (first and foremost) will be fine with that and IF she is not, don't bother!

It's about understanding female nature (especially in today's dating "hook up" culture) wherein many women value a man wanting to get to know her and vice versa in order to feel safe and comfortable enough to want to have sex with him.

There are ways of doing this WITHOUT spending a dime on her. Or very.little.

And yes the brain is actually the largest sexual organ, I am not the first person to know and say this, anyone familiar with sexuality (both women and men) understand this. The mind is powerful! Do not underestimate its power.

It's funny you talk about not being flaked on using Mode One when the likelihood of a woman agreeing to your approach and having sex with you is substantially lower to begin with! Unless she's seeking validation or the ego boost as I mentioned. Are you aware of this?

Versus putting forth some effort to spend some time together and get to know each other. Again no or very little money need be spent.

I dunno pick your poison man. There IS a huge risk of being flaked on no matter how we slice and dice this.


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[BackInTheGame78]

I'm sure it is viable, based on the program you're running.

But allow me to analyze further...

Because taken at face value, 80+ women does seem like a nice body count over a 7 year stretch.

But things ain't always what they seem.

The flex isn't based on the quantity of the body count...but the quality of it.

And quality isn't based on the physical appearances of the women, either.

The quality is based up the arrangements of those encounters.

For example..of those 80+ lays, how many of those women..

1. Made you wait to get the puzzy?
2. Made you pay for the puzzy?

Or, of the 80+ lays..

1. Did any of those women require you to spend any amount of money on them (dates, clothes, borrowed or lent money, food, bills, etc)...was any of those things requested or required of you, before you slept with them...and did you comply?

2. Did you offer or volunteer any money or resources to any of those women...whether for dates or any of the things mentioned above?

Obviously, I don't know you personally, but based on what I've seen from you (especially from advice you've given on this thread alone), it's safe to assume you've answered yes to either of those questions.

Thus, some (if not most) of your lay count is not of good quality.

If your sleeping with a woman, was based on your following of her program (and/or you following what you think her program is)....then even if you sleep with her, you've still taken an L.

It's a clear cut case of winning the battle, but losing the war.
.....

And yes, to the point you made earlier...the standards, guidelines, and principles (particularly of Mode One)...it does mean that I will (and have) lost out on many opportunities to sleep with many women because of it.

But, if the act of sleeping with women is based on their terms and not my own, then I don't want it and will gladly turn it down.

However, it makes the women that I DO sleep with so much more special....because as I am in the puzzy I can think to myself..

"I have her in this position, based on her compliance to MY terms. I lead her, and she followed".

Compliance. Cooperation. You lead. They follow.

That is where the W is.

1) Just typical first date type stuff like drinks or Mini-golf/drinks or walk/talk in a park and ice cream. Pretty much all were in the $0-25 range. There was no requirement per se, if I invite a woman out, I pay if it's a first date. Sometimes they wanted to pay for the second round of drinks or whatever, which I was cool with.

2) there was no buying them gifts outside of basic things like that. They would often spend resources on me because about 60% of the time the 3rd date was usually cooking together at my place and most of the time they would want to buy some of the things or bring wine/dessert, etc. About 30% of the others happened on date 1 or 2. A few were 4 or 5 for logistical reasons.

You mean "the program" where socially calibrated people want to actually get to know someone before fvcking them?

Again, your program may work on the smaller percentage of women who are OK with that but not on the greater population as a whole. Which means by definition, your quality would likely be lower since you are getting a smaller sample size of women who probably have other questionable character concerns.

I think you are simply scared to let a woman actually get to know you because once they do they won't want to sleep with you so you feel the need to rush them in that direction like one of those salesman trying to sell a product before they demonstrate it works properly.

I actually enjoy the process and getting to know about them outside the bedroom, sex isn't all that's important to me, and unlike you, I'm not scared they are going to run away if it doesn't happen day 1.

 

[ivlvs_veridivs]

Hi friends. A couple of updates before I address some of the previous replies.

I asked out the girl I traveled a little farther to see again. She’s in and wants to go out with me, so I’ll be seeing her again on Sunday. This time I’ll have to bring out the big guns and go for the kiss.

My stupid brain kept telling me, “Message her again or she’ll lose interest.” But I remembered some of the things mentioned in ANTI-DUMP’s MACHINE and the advice you guys have given me here, so I abstained from doing that BS.

At first, I thought it would be “strange” to message her out of the blue again after some silence, but now I don’t think it is. If anything, that space communicates other important things and gives the girl some time to think about you.

Remember the woman I told you about, the one a female friend set me up on a blind date with?

For context, this friend created a WhatsApp group with this woman and me. She must have explained the purpose beforehand, and I’m guessing she also gave me a little social proof, since her friend was essentially recommending me as a potential partner. In any case, I carried the conversation and steered it toward a date, which finally happened today. Action date, of course: I invited her to see the Tim Burton exhibition.

To my surprise, this chick could easily be one of the hottest girls I’ve ever dated. Like, WTF have I been doing this whole time, crying for a full month after the breakup with my ex, if this is what’s out there? I think she’s 35, which makes her three years older than me.

I have the principle of covering the expenses for the first couple of dates while letting the girl invest in other ways: saying yes, showing flexibility, making an effort, moving things forward, etc. In general, my main focus was maintaining eye contact and trying to communicate my desire for her through my eyes, while smiling, having fun, and creating opportunities to smoothly escalate kino.

I think we spent about an hour visiting the exhibition.

When I met her, I started steering the conversation toward her. And, of course, women generally enjoy talking about themselves. I think this is also useful because it lets me see how fun, engaged, and interesting she is. Seeing her as a little girl and myself as a little boy who just wants to have fun is REALLY USEFUL. It also makes kino much easier and more natural. The tour guide was giving us instructions, and I used that opportunity to tell her, “I feel like we’re kids again on a school trip to a museum. The teacher is talking and talking about the rules, while we just ignore everything and do whatever we want, right?” She laughed and said, “Oh yeah, I never paid any attention.” I said, “Neither did I, lol.” That helped me A LOT in getting rid of the awkwardness of two strangers meeting for the first time. At another point, the tour guide said, “Okay, now grab your partner,” and of course I took the opportunity to playfully link my arm with hers and say, “Ready.” She laughed.

We had to spend most of the time standing and walking around the venue, so kino was mostly limited to touching her shoulders and arms, lightly leading the way, and keeping the conversation fun and engaging while showing genuine curiosity about what she was saying. When the tour was about to end, I asked whether she had eaten already. My idea was to escalate logistically and find another place where we could continue building both emotional and physical connection. She told me she had eaten not too long before, but that she could join me for coffee or something.

So, on to the second location: a coffee shop.

Since she had brought her car and I had mine, I suggested we take her car to the coffee shop and then come back afterward to the parking lot where I had left mine. She agreed. While she was driving, we were laughing and chatting about several different topics.

At the coffee shop, we continued talking and having fun. During the brief silences between topics, I noticed that she was also asking questions about me. I tried to keep my answers relatively brief rather than turning the conversation into a monologue about myself, but I still took her curiosity as a good indicator of interest. Physical escalation was difficult there because of the way the chairs were arranged: one directly in front of the other. So instead, I focused more on emotional escalation and teasing her here and there about the things she was sharing.

We stayed there for another hour.

Even though the conversation was flowing nicely and we were having fun, I started feeling that the interaction was still a little too “impersonal” and not particularly romantic. I felt like I needed to steer the vibe in that direction so the kino and tension could keep developing.

Eventually, she drove me back to the first venue, where my car was parked. This is where I started feeling a little nervous, although I managed to keep myself under control. I asked her, “So, what do you like to do for fun?” My intention was to make the conversation a little more personal and also get a sense of how well our interests might line up for future dates. For a moment, I think I actually spoke fluent ******** because she UNDERSTOOD PERFECTLY what I was getting at. She listed several things she enjoyed doing and then said something along the lines of, “Well, for future ideas of places we could go together, I like doing this and that. What do you like to do?”

While we were talking about this, she mentioned the idea of us doing things together a couple of times. For example, I told her, “I like going to bars and trying ****tails I’ve never had before. Not to the point of getting stupidly drunk, but I’m a curious guy and I enjoy trying new things.” Which is true, I REALLY DO THIS ON MY OWN. She replied, “Oh, that’s great. There’s a bar I know where we could go…”

Still, I felt like something was missing. My gut was telling me, “IVLIVS, you’ve been touching her playfully, but there hasn’t really been any passion yet. I want this to feel more romantic. I remembered the advice from Backinthegame, but I didn’t feel like the interaction had reached that point yet. I’m not going to lie: that may simply have been lack of experience on my part, and maybe I could have pushed things further. There was also the center console between the two seats, which made things a little awkward physically.

Then I noticed her bracelets and made a comment about them. When she started explaining them to me, I took her arm as if I were getting a closer look. From there, I also started holding and touching her fingers and hand. I think we stayed like that for around five minutes. I noticed that she seemed completely comfortable with me holding her hand and arm that way. Our bodies were also much closer now, and the interaction suddenly felt a lot more intimate.

At that point, I felt like we had reached a high point in the interaction, and I wanted to leave things there. I also genuinely had to leave because I’m working the night shift this week. So, while she was explaining the meaning of her different bracelets and I was sitting close to her, holding her arm and touching her hand, I decided to end the date. I told her, “Now I really have to leave, but thank you. I had a lot of fun. We’ll keep in touch.”

Then I hugged her and kissed her on the cheek.

I think that, with this second girl, the main thing I need to do now is keep my desperation under control and keep the messaging light between dates. I'll invite her out for next Friday. She offered twice to help me pay the bill, but I declined.

KEY TAKEWAYS: LEAD LEAD LEAD, have fun, listen, feel the vibe and escalate, trust your gut and take risks. Keep peeling the layers that are keeping your SEXUALITY BURIED and let it come out. You both know are there to eventually have sex, so grab your balls and make it happen.

 

[ivlvs_veridivs]

As a woman @ivlvs_veridivs, this^^ 100% Even if/when I feel sexually attracted.

There are many reasons why, read more of this forum re what other men experience and understanding feminine nature (sexually and generally). I don't have time to explain now it's much too nuanced and complex.

Not saying @We_ArE_VeNOM "Mode One" doesn't work. It does and will on certain women regardless of whether she is sexually attracted or not.

Meaning, many women who are quick to jump in the sack with a man she "just" met, do so for validation, approval or ego so don't assume her immediate compliance has anything to do with you.

Not all, some women have no or very little boundaries and/or can enjoy sex for sex but imo (again as a woman) your chances of having sex are greater if you are aware of timing, understanding female nature, patience and respect

I am not talking about spending money, simply suggest a low key date and talk to her, get-to know her a little bit and have her get to know you. Many women place value on that and it allows them to feel safer (emotionally and physically) and as such more open to having sex with you.

Try to connect with her mind and her emotions; the brain is actually the largest sexual organ in the body. Not your muscles or your d*ck.

Personally I am not offended by Venom's style because it let's ME know where his head is at and what HE is wanting and values... and as such if I (or any woman) is seeking something more substantial than a fast lay or ONS I will reject his advances and HIM. Again no matter how sexually attracted I might be..

Thus not wasting my time just as HE is not wasting his. It goes both ways.

Don't be tone deaf to these differences and nuances and you will be fine.

Good luck man.

Hi Sega, thanks for sharing your female perspective. Usually, my first dates are pretty low key. I used to invite them to a bar... but that got old and expensive quickly (having 3 dates a week while learning by ****ing it up), and also BORING. Now I rather meet them during the day, and if they seem fun to me, then I'll invite them for another date to a bar and have a drink with me (I LOVE ****tails, making them and tasting them). I've seen women DO PREFER a guy that has some balls, even if a little uncalibrated they prefer the date where the guy escalates, than the date where there is no escalation at all. But as you say, there is a nuance, an art, and it's part of the learning curve.

What you say about the brain is important. My game at the moment is lacking in the connection/romantic side (from what I feel), I have to bridge attraction to connection and chill with the fun. Escalating by mixing anticipation/space/romance/going for it (paraphrasing a little bit clockwerk) is a lot more exciting than just grabbing her face and going for a kiss, while I know there is also a place for that kind of move.

I do prefer a more laid-back approach, OFC I like sex and ONS but there is something fun in getting to know a girl, see how she is interesting for me, and see if she is actually interested in me (not just for sex); being a slave to pleasure or any other emotion is not my thing. However, I acknowledge I still lack the experience to see when a girl is "throwing" herself at me and when the situation requires to still be cool and escalate bit by bit.

 

[ivlvs_veridivs]

1) Just typical first date type stuff like drinks or Mini-golf/drinks or walk/talk in a park and ice cream. Pretty much all were in the $0-25 range. There was no requirement per se, if I invite a woman out, I pay if it's a first date. Sometimes they wanted to pay for the second round of drinks or whatever, which I was cool with.

2) there was no buying them gifts outside of basic things like that. They would often spend resources on me because about 60% of the time the 3rd date was usually cooking together at my place and most of the time they would want to buy some of the things or bring wine/dessert, etc. About 30% of the others happened on date 1 or 2. A few were 4 or 5 for logistical reasons.

You mean "the program" where socially calibrated people want to actually get to know someone before fvcking them?

Again, your program may work on the smaller percentage of women who are OK with that but not on the greater population as a whole. Which means by definition, your quality would likely be lower since you are getting a smaller sample size of women who probably have other questionable character concerns.

I think you are simply scared to let a woman actually get to know you because once they do they won't want to sleep with you so you feel the need to rush them in that direction like one of those salesman trying to sell a product before they demonstrate it works properly.

I actually enjoy the process and getting to know about them outside the bedroom, sex isn't all that's important to me, and unlike you, I'm not scared they are going to run away if it doesn't happen day 1.

Mmmm interesting, I like your idea for a 3rd date. I like to prepare ****tails for myself; I think I'm going to steal and tweak a little bit your idea.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

1) Just typical first date type stuff like drinks or Mini-golf/drinks or walk/talk in a park and ice cream. Pretty much all were in the $0-25 range. There was no requirement per se, if I invite a woman out, I pay if it's a first date.

Why would you spend money on a woman, of whom you don't know?

What kind of sense does that make?

Sometimes they wanted to pay for the second round of drinks or whatever, which I was cool with.

In other words..

"Sometimes they wanted to pay for second rounds...but even if they didn't, no worries; I got us covered, because I'm the man!!".

2) there was no buying them gifts outside of basic things like that. They would often spend resources on me because about 60% of the time the 3rd date was usually cooking together at my place and most of the time they would want to buy some of the things or bring wine/dessert, etc. About 30% of the others happened on date 1 or 2. A few were 4 or 5 for logistical reasons.

3 dates in, and you ain't fuked her yet?

Tsk, tsk.

All that time.

Newsflash, buddy; if women are sexually interested in you, they don't make you wait for sex.

You guys don't seem to understand this.

You mean "the program" where socially calibrated people want to actually get to know someone before fvcking them?

Is it your requirement that, unless you sleep with a woman, you must know them first?

Is this your requirement, or theirs?

If it's theirs, then again, you're letting them lead the situation...which isn't what a true leader does.

And here's another newsflash, buddy; getting to know someone sexually, is part of getting to know them.

Plus, if she had high interest in you, all that she needs to know is; "I want his d!ck".

Again, your program may work on the smaller percentage of women who are OK with that but not on the greater population as a whole.

Most women are ok with that...they just ain't ok with that, with you.

But they are ok with that, with the guys that they are highly interested in.

You've probably never dealt with such women, which is why the mere thought seems so damn absurd to you.

Well guess what; I have dealt with such women...and once you've dealt with such women, you'll never want to go back to low/medium interest-level women again.

Which means by definition, your quality would likely be lower since you are getting a smaller sample size of women who probably have other questionable character concerns.

The sample size isn't small.

I talk to dozens upon dozens of women.

What is small is the number of women, of those many, who actually makes the cut.

It is like the Navy Seals.

Many men try out to become one, but only a small handful, of the thousands of recruits, have what it takes to make the cut.

And that's what make those small handful of Seals so unique, so special, so revered, and so elite.

Same thing with me.

A woman ain't special if she allows me to smash, only after I wined and dined her over the course of 3 dates.

She is special if she allows me to smash, without me having to do anything..but be attractive in her eyes.

I think you are simply scared to let a woman actually get to know you because once they do they won't want to sleep with you so you feel the need to rush them in that direction like one of those salesman trying to sell a product before they demonstrate it works properly.

Not at all.

The difference between you and I, is simple.

You, like most men: Give up your non-sexual attention to women freely, while working towards (and paying for) her sexual attention.

While..

I, unlike most men: Make her work for my non-sexual attention, while getting her sexual attention, freely.

See the difference?

I actually enjoy the process and getting to know about them outside the bedroom, sex isn't all that's important to me

Ohhh, is that right?

So, let me ask you this..

The woman that you took on 3 dates...would you have taken her on 3 dates...if you were 100% positive that she will never, ever give you puzzy?

Yes or no?

, and unlike you, I'm not scared they are going to run away if it doesn't happen day 1.

Strawman fallacy...because I never said, nor implied this to be the case.

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[We_ArE_VeNOM]

I said nothing about spending money @We_ArE_VeNOM (which seems to be your major gripe). In fact I said the opposite - you don't have to spend money especially on a first meet/date..

I don't recall you ever singing that particularly tune, until I started going in on it.

What I am saying is; the average man thinks that a pay date is necessary.

And I'm saying, not only isn't it necessary...but it shouldn't even be a consideration.

And a woman who is interested in you as a man (first and foremost) will be fine with that and IF she is not, don't bother!

Cool.

It's about understanding female nature (especially in today's dating "hook up" culture) wherein many women value a man wanting to get to know her and vice versa in order to feel safe and comfortable enough to want to have sex with him.

Um, the problem with that is; it makes no sense whatsoever.

1. "I've known him for at least 8 years. He is a good man. He is positive, charming, polite. However, he is lousy in bed".

2. "I met him for the first time tonight. I followed him to his hotel room, and he gave me the best sex i ever had!!".

The first scenario, you know him...and he is lousy in bed.

The second scenario, you don't know him, and he was great in bed.

So, the pre-knowledge you have of a person doesn't have anything to do with sex.

They are completely unrelated, UNLESS you are looking for a long-term partner or spouse.

Keyword: unless.

There are ways of doing this WITHOUT spending a dime on her. Or very.little.

Ok, so since you feel that way..

Tell that to the next man who invites you to dinner (his treat), before you've slept with him.

Say to him, "I'll treat". Or "We don't have to go out to dinner. A nice walk on the beach will be fine".

I dare you.

It's funny you talk about not being flaked on using Mode One when the likelihood of a woman agreeing to your approach and having sex with you is substantially lower to begin with!

And the likelihood of me wasting my time and money on a low/medium interest-level woman is substantially lower, too.

So, it's a wash.

Unless she's seeking validation or the ego boost as I mentioned. Are you aware of this?

It's not a matter of what she is seeking.

It's a matter of her being in cooperation with my program.

Her motivation is irrelevant.

Versus putting forth some effort to spend some time together and get to know each other. Again no or very little money need be spent.

I want (and desire) to get to know her. But not IF she ain't willing to sleep with me.

Before I get to "know" her (non-sexually), there needs to be some kind of physical, intimate interactions going on.

If not, then getting to know her is irrelevant.

I dunno pick your poison man. There IS a huge risk of being flaked on no matter how we slice and dice this.

Sure, you can get flaked on...even with Mode One.

An example of a Mode One flake would be...if I met a woman at a grocery store...gave her my number...she contacted me...and we began to talk and I communicated to her that I want to smash later tonight.

She agreed..we set the time and place.

The time arrives, and she doesn't show up (no call, no show)

Technically speaking...she flaked on me.

Apparently, her interest level in me wasn't what I thought it was.

However, this was discovered early...not 2-3 dates in...with significant time wasted and money spent.

See the difference?

Do you see how the use of Mode One allowed me to identify time-wasters and low interest women early..rather than later?

That's all Mode One was designed to do..and is effective in doing so.

 

[Sega Genesis]

It's not a matter of what she is seeking.

It's a matter of her being in cooperation with my program.

Her motivation is irrelevant.

^^LOL wha? So if the only reason a woman wants to f*ck you is for validation and ego (hers), that is OK with you? Because her reasons and motivation don't matter to you?

All that matters to you is that she cooperates with your agenda? You just posted this.

WTF man. Seriously.

What happened to Mode One being about seeking women with HIGH sexual interest?

I don't even know what to say now Venom you have lost all credibility or at least a good portion of it.

But hey look, if it works for you carry on! I am not criticizing it necessarily. Just saying that for many women seeking more than a casual hook up/ONS it won't work and you won't get the lay no matter how HIGH her sexual interest is. That's all.

I am sure I am in the minority among women,
but I actually appreciate it as it let's me know what a man wants and values (with me) and that is important information for me to know so I don't waste MY time.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Why would you spend money on a woman, of whom you don't know?

What kind of sense does that make?



In other words..

"Sometimes they wanted to pay for second rounds...but even if they didn't, no worries; I got us covered, because I'm the man!!".



3 dates in, and you ain't fuked her yet?

Tsk, tsk.

All that time.

Newsflash, buddy; if women are sexually interested in you, they don't make you wait for sex.

You guys don't seem to understand this.



Is it your requirement that, unless you sleep with a woman, you must know them first?

Is this your requirement, or theirs?

If it's theirs, then again, you're letting them lead the situation...which isn't what a true leader does.

And here's another newsflash, buddy; getting to know someone sexually, is part of getting to know them.

Plus, if she had high interest in you, all that she needs to know is; "I want his d!ck".



Most women are ok with that...they just ain't ok with that, with you.

But they are ok with that, with the guys that they are highly interested in.

You've probably never dealt with such women, which is why the mere thought seems so damn absurd to you.

Well guess what; I have dealt with such women...and once you've dealt with such women, you'll never want to go back to low/medium interest-level women again.



The sample size isn't small.

I talk to dozens upon dozens of women.

What is small is the number of women, of those many, who actually makes the cut.

It is like the Navy Seals.

Many men try out to become one, but only a small handful, of the thousands of recruits, have what it takes to make the cut.

And that's what make those small handful of Seals so unique, so special, so revered, and so elite.

Same thing with me.

A woman ain't special if she allows me to smash, only after I wined and dined her over the course of 3 dates.

She is special if she allows me to smash, without me having to do anything..but be attractive in her eyes.



Not at all.

The difference between you and I, is simple.

You, like most men: Give up your non-sexual attention to women freely, while working towards (and paying for) her sexual attention.

While..

I, unlike most men: Make her work for my non-sexual attention, while getting her sexual attention, freely.

See the difference?



Ohhh, is that right?

So, let me ask you this..

The woman that you took on 3 dates...would you have taken her on 3 dates...if you were 100% positive that she will never, ever give you puzzy?

Yes or no?



Strawman fallacy...because I never said, nor implied this to be the case.

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Let's not forget that as a house DJ for almost a decade in relatively good sized clubs, I have probably banged more hot women with zero effort than the majority of people on this forum.

It's never was really all that exciting to me. I like doing "some" work.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

^^LOL wha? So if the only reason a woman wants to f*ck you is for validation and ego (hers), that is OK with you? Because her reasons and motivation don't matter to you?

Um, SG..

If a woman feels validated and her ego is boosted, by the thought or act of me fuking her..how is that not a mental and physical win situation for me?

You sound like a damn fool.

All that matters to you is that she cooperates with your agenda?

Nothing says high interest, like a woman's consistent cooperation with my operation.

It makes my d!ck hard when a woman does what the FUK I tell her to do.

You just posted this.

WTF man. Seriously.

I said what I said .

What happened to Mode One being about seeking women with HIGH sexual interest?

Newsflash: If a woman allows you to fuk her, despite very little time spent...with no expectation of anything but good d!ck..then guess what; she's probably highly interested in you.

Just saying.

And Mode One allows you to identify such women...without the 2-3 date gamble, like some men @BackInTheGame78

I don't even know what to say now Venom you have lost all credibility or at least a good portion of it.

I know what you can say.

You can say "Venom, I want you to fuk me deep, and hard".

That's a good starting point.

But hey look, if it works for you carry on! I am not criticizing it necessarily. Just saying that for many women seeking more than a casual hook up/ONS it won't work and you won't get the lay no matter how HIGH her sexual interest is. That's all.

I'm seeking friends with benefits...and if that ain't what she's looking for, then we ain't a good match.

I am sure I am in the minority among women,
but I actually appreciate it as it let's me know what a man wants and values (with me) and that is important information for me to know so I don't waste MY time.

Yeah, Mode One is good for women, too...because saves the women time as well.

It is a win/win for all parties involved.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Let's not forget that as a house DJ for almost a decade in relatively good sized clubs, I have probably banged more hot women with zero effort than the majority of people on this forum.

It's never was really all that exciting to me. I like doing "some" work.

Mannnn to hell with all that.

Please answer the question...

The woman that you took on 3 dates...would you have taken her on 3 dates...if you were 100% positive that she will never, ever give you puzzy?

Yes or no?

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Mannnn to hell with all that.

Please answer the question...

Yes. Because that feedback is worth it to me so I can better calibrate in the future.

Failure is often your best teacher.

 

[Sega Genesis]

Um, SG..

If a woman feels validated and her ego is boosted, by the thought or act of me fuking her..how is that not a mental and physical win situation for me?

Lol fair enough nice spin Venom.

You sound like a damn fool.

Maybe to you but I happen to know some women who seek sex with random men on swipe apps for validation and ego and it has very little to do with her being sexually attracted to him let alone highly attracted.

It's simply for internal validation and ego only, and there are reasons for this that I won't bother getting into. But they admit it, own it and make no apologies for it.

Just like some men have admitted they can have sex with a women with a paper bag over her head, people have and enjoy sex for all sorts of reasons! That in some cases have little to do with sexual attraction.

That said if you could answer this question, I'd really appreciate it as I am actually seeking understanding here NOT just to debate with you about it.

People generally place a higher personal value on achievements, items, people and outcomes when they invest direct effort to attain them. This is pretty much universally believed.

Things including people that are attained so easily and without any effort typically end up becoming a big YAWN.

And is true for both men and women. Both people shouid be making effort... in different ways or sometimes in the same way.

So...

Can you honestly say you value and respect a woman who has agreed to jump in bed with you (or the car or Walmart parking lot) before having so much as a conversation with you?

I am not even talking about a date, you are against a man even having a 15 minute conversation with a woman until she agrees to fukk him.

You have posted this.

I realize it's a HUGE win for you and ego boost/validation but again how does it affect YOUR interest in them and how much you value and respect them?

Or does that not matter to you?

I ask this earnestly.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Yes. Because that feedback is worth it to me so I can better calibrate in the future.

Failure is often your best teacher.

Although I think what you're saying is bullshiit in practice (and theory), I respect your honesty.