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Ask them out asap. The moment you ask them out Is the moment you find out where you stand.

If she cant make a specific date/Time she should counter offer. A few girls dont know that but you can leave the ball in their court like "No problem, Let me know when you aré free".
Thanks for your advice. It really helped me filter out girls who aren’t genuinely interested and are probably just texting because they’re bored.

I asked out the single mom, and she never replied, so she’s out.

A female friend wanted to set me up on a blind date with one of her friends (35 years old). I accepted, we started talking on WhatsApp, and I asked her out last week and again this week. Both times she had a different excuse, so she’s out too. I just replied, “Ok, no problem. Let me know when you have the chance.”

Now, about the girl from my training. I texted her yesterday and invited her to the zoo this Sunday because I’ve been wanting to visit it. She replied, “Hi, that sounds great. Thanks for inviting me. It’s just that I already have plans this Sunday, but we can do it another day.” I can believe that explanation. During training she mentioned she wasn’t feeling well, and this week she’s been working the night shift until Saturday. So I think it’s reasonable to give her one last chance next week. My original plan was to keep the conversation warm because, if I’m being honest with myself, part of me worries that I’ll lose the opportunity if I don’t keep texting. But what the hell, I’m going to follow your advice and let her invest a little too. If I don’t hear from her, I’ll send her a couple of messages next Wednesday and then ask her out one more time. If she declines again without offering a concrete alternative, I’ll move on.

On a more positive note, a girl I’ve been talking to on Hinge for over a month, the one who kept teasing me by calling me “old”, unexpectedly said, “Yes, let’s go out.” I immediately asked for her WhatsApp. The only downside is that I’ll have to drive about 60 km (37 miles). Honestly, I don’t mind. She lives in a city I’ve always wanted to visit, and there are also a museum and a few other places I’d like to check out while I’m there.
 

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I asked out the single mom, and she never replied, so she’s out. A female friend wanted to set me up on a blind date with one of her friends (35 years old).
Sounds like you dodged some low interest bullets there.

I texted her yesterday and invited her to the zoo this Sunday because I’ve been wanting to visit it.
Ahhh this is very important. Go to places you want/need to go anyways, and invite women to tag along. If they flake, its not really a big deal because you wanted or needed to go anyways.
 

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A little update here.

The blind-date girl texted me asking if I was going to be available sometime during the next few weekdays to do the plan I had suggested. Somehow, I misread her message and thought she was asking about the weekend, so I told her, “I’m not going to be able to this weekend, but we can try the following one.”

Aaaand she got kind of annoyed and replied, “I asked about the following weekday, not the weekend. But ok.”

I answered, “Oh, my bad. I don’t know why I read ‘weekend,’ but yeah, sure. Is Monday good for you?”

She replied, “No, I’m busy on Monday.” Of course, part of me felt like that was because she was annoyed lol, but I figured annoyed is better than indifferent or bored.

So I asked, “When are you going to be available then?”

She said, “Tuesday.”

I told her, “Sure, that can work,” and after that we went back to texting like usual.

I have a feeling this is going to be a fun one once I actually meet her lol. I’ll send her a confirmation message tomorrow so we can figure out the details for Tuesday.
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Today I got back from the date with the girl I’d been talking to on Hinge for more than a month. We hadn’t met sooner because she lives pretty far from me. Funny how a girl I was just texting to **** around because she answered once a day, ended up being the most interested in going out with me. I guess, there was commitment when she never stopped answering me.

I’d read the advice about doing ACTION dates, and I was TIRED of ****ing drinks and coffee. In my mind, if I was going all the way to her city, I might as well do something that would also be fun and rewarding for me. So I told her, “Let’s go to this museum.” She agreed, and I met her there at 11:00 a.m.

I had fun. I saw animals, learned some interesting stuff, and genuinely enjoyed the place.

I’d also been reading some things about talking to women. I used to talk A LOT. This time, I didn’t. I mostly added comments here and there and kept asking HER questions. Every once in a while, I shared something deeper about myself, but for the most part, the focus was on her telling me stories.

And I guess she really enjoyed doing that because, let me tell you, she could’ve talked her way to sex. She talked A LOT, and it wasn’t boring at all.

Physical contact during the museum was light and playful.

Before, I was always thinking things like, “Now I have to escalate,” “Now I have to flirt,” “Now I have to qualify her.” Like, WTF. It’s boring even typing that out, and it kind of dehumanizes the whole interaction. It turns the other person into a set of buttons you’re supposed to push so everything goes “right.”

This time, I was mostly thinking, “HOW CAN I MAKE THIS FUN FOR ME?” And whatever idea came to mind, I’d just bring her along with me.

I have no idea if I was running some 10/10 “game,” but I had fun. That mattered a lot more.

After the museum, we went downtown because I wanted to see what it was like over there. We walked around and shared some stories (although, again, she did most of the talking lol). Physical contact was still mostly playful: lightly touching her here and there. I could tell she was very comfortable with me being close to her and touching her.

Eventually, we went to a mall to get something to eat. By that point, almost seven or eight hours had gone by, and they had passed surprisingly quickly.

After we ate, we took a short walk. Since it was Sunday and getting late, she eventually had to leave.

While we were waiting for her Uber, I felt like grabbing her hand, so I did.

Not gonna lie, I probably could’ve done it a little more smoothly. We were sitting there waiting for her Uber when I took her hand. At first, she seemed to think I was going to use it as an excuse to comment on something, like, “Oh, I like your rings.”

Instead, I just told her, “I wanted to grab your hand.”

She was basically like, “Oh, okay,” and then closed her fingers around mine and held my hand back.

After that, she became MUCH more comfortable touching me. She started grabbing my face, making playful comments, and generally being a lot more physically affectionate.

When her Uber arrived, I walked her over while holding her hand, waited for her to get in, and said, “Bye. Let me know when you get home.”

She also asked me to let her know when I got back to my place.

Now, here’s the thing: I didn’t go for the kiss.

I didn’t want to.

During this first date, I was still figuring out whether I actually liked her enough. And, as I said, I genuinely DIDN’T WANT TO and DIDN’T AROUSED ENOUGH TO DO IT.

The main physical thing I wanted to do was hold her hand, so I did. I did it because I actually felt like doing it (not because I thought I was supposed to). I also wanted her to understand that I’m romantically interested in her and not just hanging out as a friend.

Maybe I “should” have gone for the kiss, but in my mind, doing that would’ve brought me right back to the feeling of, “I’m doing this because it’s the next item on the checklist, and I want to generate a certain response from you.”

I’ve done that before with other girls. This time, I wanted things to feel authentic to me.

I do want to see her again. I’ll suggest something for next weekend, and if I feel excited about kissing her then, I probably will.

And I think I will, because I definitely found her physically attractive. More importantly, though, she was genuinely fun to hang out with.
 

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A little update here.

The blind-date girl texted me asking if I was going to be available sometime during the next few weekdays to do the plan I had suggested. Somehow, I misread her message and thought she was asking about the weekend, so I told her, “I’m not going to be able to this weekend, but we can try the following one.”

Aaaand she got kind of annoyed and replied, “I asked about the following weekday, not the weekend. But ok.”

I answered, “Oh, my bad. I don’t know why I read ‘weekend,’ but yeah, sure. Is Monday good for you?”

She replied, “No, I’m busy on Monday.” Of course, part of me felt like that was because she was annoyed lol, but I figured annoyed is better than indifferent or bored.

So I asked, “When are you going to be available then?”

She said, “Tuesday.”

I told her, “Sure, that can work,” and after that we went back to texting like usual.

I have a feeling this is going to be a fun one once I actually meet her lol. I’ll send her a confirmation message tomorrow so we can figure out the details for Tuesday.
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Today I got back from the date with the girl I’d been talking to on Hinge for more than a month. We hadn’t met sooner because she lives pretty far from me. Funny how a girl I was just texting to **** around because she answered once a day, ended up being the most interested in going out with me. I guess, there was commitment when she never stopped answering me.

I’d read the advice about doing ACTION dates, and I was TIRED of ****ing drinks and coffee. In my mind, if I was going all the way to her city, I might as well do something that would also be fun and rewarding for me. So I told her, “Let’s go to this museum.” She agreed, and I met her there at 11:00 a.m.

I had fun. I saw animals, learned some interesting stuff, and genuinely enjoyed the place.

I’d also been reading some things about talking to women. I used to talk A LOT. This time, I didn’t. I mostly added comments here and there and kept asking HER questions. Every once in a while, I shared something deeper about myself, but for the most part, the focus was on her telling me stories.

And I guess she really enjoyed doing that because, let me tell you, she could’ve talked her way to sex. She talked A LOT, and it wasn’t boring at all.

Physical contact during the museum was light and playful.

Before, I was always thinking things like, “Now I have to escalate,” “Now I have to flirt,” “Now I have to qualify her.” Like, WTF. It’s boring even typing that out, and it kind of dehumanizes the whole interaction. It turns the other person into a set of buttons you’re supposed to push so everything goes “right.”

This time, I was mostly thinking, “HOW CAN I MAKE THIS FUN FOR ME?” And whatever idea came to mind, I’d just bring her along with me.

I have no idea if I was running some 10/10 “game,” but I had fun. That mattered a lot more.

After the museum, we went downtown because I wanted to see what it was like over there. We walked around and shared some stories (although, again, she did most of the talking lol). Physical contact was still mostly playful: lightly touching her here and there. I could tell she was very comfortable with me being close to her and touching her.

Eventually, we went to a mall to get something to eat. By that point, almost seven or eight hours had gone by, and they had passed surprisingly quickly.

After we ate, we took a short walk. Since it was Sunday and getting late, she eventually had to leave.

While we were waiting for her Uber, I felt like grabbing her hand, so I did.

Not gonna lie, I probably could’ve done it a little more smoothly. We were sitting there waiting for her Uber when I took her hand. At first, she seemed to think I was going to use it as an excuse to comment on something, like, “Oh, I like your rings.”

Instead, I just told her, “I wanted to grab your hand.”

She was basically like, “Oh, okay,” and then closed her fingers around mine and held my hand back.

After that, she became MUCH more comfortable touching me. She started grabbing my face, making playful comments, and generally being a lot more physically affectionate.

When her Uber arrived, I walked her over while holding her hand, waited for her to get in, and said, “Bye. Let me know when you get home.”

She also asked me to let her know when I got back to my place.

Now, here’s the thing: I didn’t go for the kiss.

I didn’t want to.

During this first date, I was still figuring out whether I actually liked her enough. And, as I said, I genuinely DIDN’T WANT TO and DIDN’T AROUSED ENOUGH TO DO IT.

The main physical thing I wanted to do was hold her hand, so I did. I did it because I actually felt like doing it (not because I thought I was supposed to). I also wanted her to understand that I’m romantically interested in her and not just hanging out as a friend.

Maybe I “should” have gone for the kiss, but in my mind, doing that would’ve brought me right back to the feeling of, “I’m doing this because it’s the next item on the checklist, and I want to generate a certain response from you.”

I’ve done that before with other girls. This time, I wanted things to feel authentic to me.

I do want to see her again. I’ll suggest something for next weekend, and if I feel excited about kissing her then, I probably will.

And I think I will, because I definitely found her physically attractive. More importantly, though, she was genuinely fun to hang out with.
8 hours and not much of note happened in terms of escalation?
 

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And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Correct. What do you suggest I could have done differently?
I mean obviously kiss her within the first hour or two at the latest...if you are spending THAT much time together and it's that far away for you, you should have went for a much better ROI (Return on Your Investment) especially considering you want to see her again.

You essentially got nothing for your investment. Your time should be valuable. You are signalling to this woman it is not.
 
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Thanks for sharing your insight. I definitely need to keep unlearning some things while also getting more comfortable doing others.


I think at the first venue I got a bit “stuck” and didn’t escalate enough. Looking back, I probably should have built more intimacy throughout the interaction and then gone for the kiss toward the end of our time there. Maybe things like hugging her, holding hands, touching her face, and generally creating more physical closeness, so that the kiss could feel like a natural progression rather than something sudden or forced.


What do you think?
 

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Thanks for sharing your insight. I definitely need to keep unlearning some things while also getting more comfortable doing others.


I think at the first venue I got a bit “stuck” and didn’t escalate enough. Looking back, I probably should have built more intimacy throughout the interaction and then gone for the kiss toward the end of our time there. Maybe things like hugging her, holding hands, touching her face, and generally creating more physical closeness, so that the kiss could feel like a natural progression rather than something sudden or forced.


What do you think?
Try this next time if you don't just want to go for the kids and want to be more "sure" (although I usually just go for it since I'm bold...I've even gotten up in mid sentence walked across the table and kissed a woman before).

When you have one of those "moments" just look in her eyes and then gently stroke her hair and say something like "your hair looks so soft..."

If she gives you a doe eyed look and doesn't pull away, that's an almost green light that she is open to you kissing her.

I've used this many times and it has never failed once.
 

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A little update here.

The blind-date girl texted me asking if I was going to be available sometime during the next few weekdays to do the plan I had suggested. Somehow, I misread her message and thought she was asking about the weekend, so I told her, “I’m not going to be able to this weekend, but we can try the following one.”

Aaaand she got kind of annoyed and replied, “I asked about the following weekday, not the weekend. But ok.”

I answered, “Oh, my bad. I don’t know why I read ‘weekend,’ but yeah, sure. Is Monday good for you?”

She replied, “No, I’m busy on Monday.” Of course, part of me felt like that was because she was annoyed lol, but I figured annoyed is better than indifferent or bored.

So I asked, “When are you going to be available then?”

She said, “Tuesday.”

I told her, “Sure, that can work,” and after that we went back to texting like usual.

I have a feeling this is going to be a fun one once I actually meet her lol. I’ll send her a confirmation message tomorrow so we can figure out the details for Tuesday.
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Today I got back from the date with the girl I’d been talking to on Hinge for more than a month. We hadn’t met sooner because she lives pretty far from me. Funny how a girl I was just texting to **** around because she answered once a day, ended up being the most interested in going out with me. I guess, there was commitment when she never stopped answering me.

I’d read the advice about doing ACTION dates, and I was TIRED of ****ing drinks and coffee. In my mind, if I was going all the way to her city, I might as well do something that would also be fun and rewarding for me. So I told her, “Let’s go to this museum.” She agreed, and I met her there at 11:00 a.m.

I had fun. I saw animals, learned some interesting stuff, and genuinely enjoyed the place.

I’d also been reading some things about talking to women. I used to talk A LOT. This time, I didn’t. I mostly added comments here and there and kept asking HER questions. Every once in a while, I shared something deeper about myself, but for the most part, the focus was on her telling me stories.

And I guess she really enjoyed doing that because, let me tell you, she could’ve talked her way to sex. She talked A LOT, and it wasn’t boring at all.

Physical contact during the museum was light and playful.

Before, I was always thinking things like, “Now I have to escalate,” “Now I have to flirt,” “Now I have to qualify her.” Like, WTF. It’s boring even typing that out, and it kind of dehumanizes the whole interaction. It turns the other person into a set of buttons you’re supposed to push so everything goes “right.”

This time, I was mostly thinking, “HOW CAN I MAKE THIS FUN FOR ME?” And whatever idea came to mind, I’d just bring her along with me.

I have no idea if I was running some 10/10 “game,” but I had fun. That mattered a lot more.

After the museum, we went downtown because I wanted to see what it was like over there. We walked around and shared some stories (although, again, she did most of the talking lol). Physical contact was still mostly playful: lightly touching her here and there. I could tell she was very comfortable with me being close to her and touching her.

Eventually, we went to a mall to get something to eat. By that point, almost seven or eight hours had gone by, and they had passed surprisingly quickly.

After we ate, we took a short walk. Since it was Sunday and getting late, she eventually had to leave.

While we were waiting for her Uber, I felt like grabbing her hand, so I did.

Not gonna lie, I probably could’ve done it a little more smoothly. We were sitting there waiting for her Uber when I took her hand. At first, she seemed to think I was going to use it as an excuse to comment on something, like, “Oh, I like your rings.”

Instead, I just told her, “I wanted to grab your hand.”

She was basically like, “Oh, okay,” and then closed her fingers around mine and held my hand back.

After that, she became MUCH more comfortable touching me. She started grabbing my face, making playful comments, and generally being a lot more physically affectionate.

When her Uber arrived, I walked her over while holding her hand, waited for her to get in, and said, “Bye. Let me know when you get home.”

She also asked me to let her know when I got back to my place.

Now, here’s the thing: I didn’t go for the kiss.

I didn’t want to.

During this first date, I was still figuring out whether I actually liked her enough. And, as I said, I genuinely DIDN’T WANT TO and DIDN’T AROUSED ENOUGH TO DO IT.

The main physical thing I wanted to do was hold her hand, so I did. I did it because I actually felt like doing it (not because I thought I was supposed to). I also wanted her to understand that I’m romantically interested in her and not just hanging out as a friend.

Maybe I “should” have gone for the kiss, but in my mind, doing that would’ve brought me right back to the feeling of, “I’m doing this because it’s the next item on the checklist, and I want to generate a certain response from you.”

I’ve done that before with other girls. This time, I wanted things to feel authentic to me.

I do want to see her again. I’ll suggest something for next weekend, and if I feel excited about kissing her then, I probably will.

And I think I will, because I definitely found her physically attractive. More importantly, though, she was genuinely fun to hang out with.
The hand thing was good, you were direct and unapologetic about it. You got some nice momentum going on, dont lose it.

You already got some great advice from BITG, but he is in a different location and culture from us. Look, I enjoy a "same night lay" as much of the next guy, but hear me out:

If her interest is high enough and you dont really have competition, you could theoritically wait for a third date to go in for the kiss, it wouldnt matter much in the grand scheme of things. I speak from experience.

That being said, considering she lives in a different state from you and you travel relatively far to see her: Yeah, maybe not wait until the third date to go in for the kiss. Just because you could wait, doesnt mean you have to.
 
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The hand thing was good, you were direct and unapologetic about it. You got some nice momentum going on, dont lose it.

You already got some great advice from BITG, but he is in a different location and culture from us. Look, I enjoy a "same night lay" as much of the next guy, but hear me out:

If her interest is high enough and you dont really have competition, you could theoritically wait for a third date to go in for the kiss, it wouldnt matter much in the grand scheme of things. I speak from experience.

That being said, considering she lives in a different state from you and you travel relatively far to see her: Yeah, maybe not wait until the third date to go in for the kiss. Just because you could wait, doesnt mean you have to.
That's fair regarding the cultural difference, but I'm not even saying he should have went for the lay, just that he should have done SOMETHING...

Becawu of you spend that amount of time with a woman and try nothing, it comes across as being afraid, at least reading the report that's how I would interpret it, perhaps I'm off on this one tho.

Because one thing that people don't talk about in relation to this is time spent with someone...if you are on a date for an hour or two and you don't go for it on a first date, OK, sure...

But if you spend 8 hours? The women is EXPECTING something to happen at that point and she is giving you every opportunity to make something happen and when it doesn't, that is not usually a good look on the man. At that point she might legit be mad that you wasted her time.

Interested to see what happens with her. I guess if her interest is high enough it really is irrelevant.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Nah, you are not off, you always give good advice. I do think its interesring what he said about escalating when it feels authentic to him rather than "crossing the next step off the checklist"
Sure that's fair, but you are never guaranteed opportunities in this game. Often when you don't take advantage of them when they are there, you don't get another chance

Not saying OP is wrong, but if you have 8 hours checklists shouldn't be coming into play. If you don't know whether you want to kiss a woman after 8 hours your screening process is broken.
 

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Sure that's fair, but you are never guaranteed opportunities in this game. Often when you don't take advantage of them when they are there, you don't get another chance

Not saying OP is wrong, but if you have 8 hours checklists shouldn't be coming into play. If you don't know whether you want to kiss a woman after 8 hours your screening process is broken.
You have a point. I never did 8 hour dates, always leave them wanting more. But I guess we can agree that if her interest remains high enough, she is still very much in play
 

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You have a point. I never did 8 hour dates, always leave them wanting more. But I guess we can agree that if her interest remains high enough, she is still very much in play
Yes of course, but this is all about probabilities and maximizing them. OP lessened them instead of maximizing them. By how much, we will never know.

The assumption should be on any first date that if you don't make some sort of move you shouldn't expect to hear from them again.

That's not a guarantee of anything continuing, but it at least establishes a baseline level of interest.
 

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Hey, thanks to both of you for the fair criticism of my game. No complaints there, I appreciate it. Today after pondering about it, I definitely think I could have done more.

The main reason I didn't feel like kissing her was that, before I got into this community, I was following a lot of PUA advice that always made me feel inauthentic. I understand that one thing is pushing yourself outside your comfort zone, but another is running an interaction like a script, constantly thinking about the next button to push, the "correct" tease to use, or what move you're supposed to make next. For a couple of months, that's basically what I was doing.

I think what happened is that I overcorrected. I moved so far away from that scripted mindset that I almost "forgot" to escalate.

Don't get me wrong, the girl was hot, I want to see her again, and a kiss, even taking the cultural differences into account, would probably have been an EXCELLENT idea (going for sex not though, lol). I just wanted to experiment with something different: actually having fun instead of constantly thinking about which buttons I should be pushing. I wanted to look at interactions in a different way, where whatever I did next came naturally instead of feeling like another step in a script I was supposed to follow.

I'd been approaching things that way for a couple of months before I started reading Pook, the DJ Bible, etc., and seeing how different this community's approach is. That's what I was trying to explain in my response to Doctor Europeo when I said I didn't feel authentic. I think I'm still adjusting to a more natural, character-dependent kind of game.

But yeah, I definitely should have escalated more, especially considering the advice Clockwerk50 gave me earlier about rapport and escalation. I think the girl is still interested based on the way we said goodbye, but of course, none of that really means anything until I ask her out again. I'm planning to invite her this Wednesday for another date on Sunday. I'd prefer Saturday, but I have to work.

Also, tomorrow I have the blind date with the other girl, the one I pissed off a little bit, lol. I confirmed it with her today. I'll be a little more assertive there. The texting is already flowing nicely, and she's actively asking me questions, so we'll see how it goes.

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Oh, and the girl from my training at work I talked about before is now out of my radar. She seems low interest, no point in inviting her again until she shows interest on her side. I feel at ease knowing I went for it, instead of wondering "what could have happened".
 
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@ivlvs_veridivs

Brody, this advice may be too much for you to handle...but uh..

You should have told both of those women, within the FIRST conversation, that you want to have sex with them.

Why?

Because you would have been spared all of the fake chit-chat...and the flaked date planning.

Those women had low interest in you from the very beginning.

Either..

1. They hid their low interest from you.
2. You ignored the low interest signs
3. You were naive to the low interest signs.

When you go Mode One (directly communicate your sexual desires to them), you will effectively identify women that have high sexual interests in you...and you'll also identify those who don't.

Apply that principle to your dating life, and you'll prevent such occurrences.
 

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@ivlvs_veridivs

Brody, this advice may be too much for you to handle...but uh..

You should have told both of those women, within the FIRST conversation, that you want to have sex with them.

Why?

Because you would have been spared all of the fake chit-chat...and the flaked date planning.

Those women had low interest in you from the very beginning.

Either..

1. They hid their low interest from you.
2. You ignored the low interest signs
3. You were naive to the low interest signs.

When you go Mode One (directly communicate your sexual desires to them), you will effectively identify women that have high sexual interests in you...and you'll also identify those who don't.

Apply that principle to your dating life, and you'll prevent such occurrences.

So you recommend when women show low interest from the beginning to directly communicate a sexual desire?
 

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So you recommend when women show low interest from the beginning to directly communicate a sexual desire?
You will filter out low interest women, but you'll also filter out a significant amount of high interest women as well since it's unnecessary and some will be put off by this.

Essentially this is throwing the baby out with the bathwater or using a sledgehammer instead of a scalpel.

It will work, but you will also sacrifice a lot of lays in the process that you would have gotten if you just played it cool and escalated when the time called for it (which can be different times with different women).

Same advice as I would give for things like sexting or being overly sexual prior to a first date...many will engage with it but then ghost you when it comes time for the date to happen.
 
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You will filter out low interest women, but you'll also filter out a significant amount of high interest women as well since it's unnecessary and some will be put off by this.

Essentially this is throwing the baby out with the bathwater or using a sledgehammer instead of a scalpel.

It will work, but you will also sacrifice a lot of lays in the process that you would have gotten if you just played it cool and escalated when the time called for it (which can be different times with different women).

Same as I would give for things like sexting or being overly sexual prior to a first date...many will engage with it but then ghost you when it comes time for the date to happen.
Yes, that's what I was thinking. It happened to me once as you mention in the last paragraph. I started sexting with a girl before the first date, we were sending us nudes and all of that but then she ghosted me the two times I asked to actually see her.
 

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Note to self: KEEP IT COOL MAN, you DON'T NEED TO TEXT DAILY THE GIRL YOU JUST SAW TO KEEP HER INTEREST. Why do you feel you have a need to do that? Aren't you supposed to be enough? Isn't she supposed to also show her interest? You'll be far more interesting by keeping a safe distance.

YOUR ONLY CONCERN SHOULD BE ACTION, so JUST WAIT, BE PATIENT AND SEND HER A TEXT TO ARRANGE THE NEXT DATE.
 
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