"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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It's either one or the other

ketostix

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My personal experience is either women want to fvck me or they totally basically hate me. I don't have much middle ground. The problem is from experience I've never gotten anything from a girl that acted like she hated me,Yet I've seen girls give this similar feigned hatered to other guys and they hooked up. So it's not so simple to conclude that that's this "disinterest" isn't at least in part sexual tension that I could somehow capitalize on.

To give some backstory, I'm a "mature" male and most of my PU is at night clubs on college aged girls.

Anyone else have thid experience and can give me so feedback?
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Yes. I should put a detailed this story in the tips section at some point:

About 4 years ago, I had a nice weekend where I met 2 redhead HB7's.

One was at a concert, we bumped into eachother, thumbwrestled, then ended up sitting around talking about where we were from, found out that we both grew up in big families, and talked a lot about what we had in common.

The other was at a BBQ. She was a ball-busting feminist president of the campus bisexual alliance. I was staring at her large tits, when she said, "WTF are you staring at?" I said, "you started it," or something like that. We started arguing, and eventually I said, "look, if I'm staring at your body, then there is clearly something you did to provoke it. You know, just like rape."

She said, "I'm not even talking to you anymore," got up and went inside.

Any guess as to which one I was banging 72 hours later?
 

ketostix

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Ok thanks for the example. I guess what I was getting at is I'll approach girls in the same manner and she'll be either disinterrested very quickly, sometimes very hostile for no reason or they'll be putty in my hands to game.

I don't really have any female friends and I don't get into the friend's zone. It's either sex or nothing. I guess I'm saying there seems to be such a dichotomy of one or the other with no middle gound.
 
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