Isn't DayGame a lot easier if you're Chad-tier?

[MatureDJ]

I was watching this, and it got me interested.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Guy is literally approaching women at a major tourist section which is disingenuous.

 

[SW15]

Daygame is generally going to be easier for a top tier man in looks. However, while it might be effective for a top tier man, it's generally going to be less efficient for a top tier looks man to do daygame as compared to nightgame or swipe apps.

Blaine Anderson (a fish trying to teach men to catch fish) made a valid point on one of her YouTube Shorts about this. There are times when a man is doing everything correct and he will still fail on approaches.

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Blaine Anderson's example was an example of why non-bar approaching (typically done during daylight/early evening hours) is horribly inefficient though. The majority of women between ages 18-49 aren't seeking new penis at the moment they are approached in a non-bar setting. That is a major disincentive for doing non-bar approaching.

For a top tier man who is looking for something longer term, non-bar approaching might be an option. However, he's probably going to find something longer term more easily somewhere else.

Mid-tier men are more likely to have an incentive to tolerate the downsides of daygame. Mid-tier men are often ignored in nightlife venues and on swipe apps.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Daygame is generally going to be easier for a top tier man in looks. However, while it might be effective for a top tier, it's generally going to be less efficient for a top tier looks man to do daygame as compared to nightgame or swipe apps.

It's also easier to approach in tourist hot spots where people are in vacation mode too.

 

[SW15]

It's also easier to approach in tourist hot spots where people are in vacation mode too.

It's a little bit easier when that is applicable, but not as easy as I think you make it out to be.

I have limited firsthand experience with approaching in tourist hot spots, but I think I have enough experience and familiarity with it.

In recent years, I have lived in Dallas, which is not known as a tourist destination. When people travel to Dallas, it is usually for a big event (concert, sports, etc.), seeing family, or a business trip.

Prior to living in Dallas, I lived in Phoenix. Phoenix received far more recreational, leisure travelers. Late October - early April was when the majority of leisure travelers visited.

In Phoenix, the majority of leisure travelers had a limited impact on the mating environment. Why? Most leisure travelers to Phoenix were already part of couples. Women traveled to Metro Phoenix with their boyfriends or husbands. Additionally, at the time, I noticed it was far more older people (at least 30+) traveling with their significant other.

Since I moved away from Phoenix, Phoenix/Scottsdale has become more of a hub for destination bachelorette parties. More of those women are into getting attention from men than actually having sex with primarily local men. In daygame, most of the bachelorette parties are going to be busy and not approachable.

Due to the fact that travel in general is centered around couples, I don't think a tourist destination makes that much of a difference.

 

[CornbreadFed]

It's a little bit easier when that is applicable, but not as easy as I think you make it out to be.

I have limited firsthand experience with approaching in tourist hot spots, but I think I have enough experience and familiarity with it.

In recent years, I have lived in Dallas, which is not known as a tourist destination. When people travel to Dallas, it is usually for a big event (concert, sports, etc.), seeing family, or a business trip.

Prior to living in Dallas, I lived in Phoenix. Phoenix received far more recreational, leisure travelers. Late October - early April was when the majority of leisure travelers visited.

In Phoenix, the majority of leisure travelers had a limited impact on the mating environment. Why? Most leisure travelers to Phoenix were already part of couples. Women traveled to Metro Phoenix with their boyfriends or husbands. Additionally, at the time, I noticed it was far more older people (at least 30+) traveling with their significant other.

Since I moved away from Phoenix, Phoenix/Scottsdale has become more of a hub for destination bachelorette parties. More of those women are into getting attention from men than actually having sex with primarily local men. In daygame, most of the bachelorette parties are going to be busy and not approachable.

Due to the fact that travel in general is centered around couples, I don't think a tourist destination makes that much of a difference.

I've never been to Phoenix, but you can literally approach anyone in the tourist hot zones of Nashville and get a positive response. Poland reminded me a lot like Nashville, Tennessee because the tourists and locals are heavily segregated from each other.

 

[zekko]

it's generally going to be less efficient for a top tier looks man to do daygame as compared to nightgame

Sure, who doesn't look better in the dark?

 

[BaronOfHair]

Yeah, appearance is a weapon in your arsenal. You needn't be a Chad: Just put an ounce of effort into glowing up. If you doubt me, reference Jeremy Alan White. When even Lip Gallagher from Shameless is able to revamp himself into a panty dropper who's now modelling Calvin Klein, there's only one class of men on this planet who have a justification for NOT enhancing their physical appeal:

The 0.000001% of us who one day hopped on a horse and tried to succeed where Chris Reeve failed, only to also end up going from Men Of Steel to Men Of Wheel

 

[ValiantMale]

Most men do not know how to leverage situations to their advantage. Alot of men are playing harder not smarter.. and thus get miniscule results compared to other men.

This guy knows the town well and has likely gamed here often and regularly for a long time. He's seen thousands of women come and go as tourists. Out of the 2 number closes he had out of several interactions in this one video, he probably has 10-25 approaches where he was let down/brushed off. That's cold approach for you my friends.

Nothing in this video is out of the ordinary. Spend less time watching videos and more time outdoors.. this stuff will come naturally if you're social.

 

[frenchflow]

Easier isn't really the right term. Let's just say that the women will give you a fair shot. You still have to sustain proper game after that . Also it's depending on the location. A wing in Krakow told me the it's over-saturated with daygamers. Good news is they all do the same thing. So as long as you do something different that works you can stand out .

Matter of fact most of the daygame advice on the internet is the same : compliment first, get her into conversation, tease if she is resisting, "plow" and so on and so forth. In my experience those methods did not work. I lost my virginity and got 8 lays in a month strictly from daygame by using different methods .

 

[tksniper]

Yes, I was working at a coffee shop today and there was this objectively good looking guy with a dog. He sat in front of the coffee shop. I personably witnessed about 25 women turning their heads towards him and smiled at him. A few women twirled their hair and licked their lips.

However he never once tried to talk to the women. That’s because he was gay! He spent the whole time looking into the coffee shop trying to make eye contact with me because apparently he’s into tattooed looking bad boy types, lmao.

But I’m sure if he wanted to (or was straight) he probably could have gotten 10 numbers just parking at a spot and chilling with his dog.

It reminded me that when a woman is truly attracted to you, she typically makes it obvious. The only ones that avoided eye contact were women who were below a 6 on the looks scale. He was like a black hole that sucked in all the attention.

 

[BaronOfHair]

"Night game"(picking up chicks in bars and night clubs)and "day game"(Approaching and connecting out in the sunlight, at grocery stores, coffee houses, etc etc)are analogous to

Sniping a high-value target in Beirut, as a slugging match between Hezbollah and The IDF rages all around you

VS

Dropping an investment banker who's $2,000 in debt to The Serbian Mafia, from across the street on Rodeo Drive, at 6AM on a Monday

Locking down a bedmate, like contract murder, is much simpler when the one executing the mission isn't surrounded by eardrum shattering cacophony, and an endless array of distractions. Chances of achieving your goal skyrocket, when it's easier for you to focus on the task at hand, and fewer external obstacles stand between you and your goal

 

[characternote]

Matter of fact most of the daygame advice on the internet is the same : compliment first, get her into conversation, tease if she is resisting, "plow" and so on and so forth. In my experience those methods did not work.

nothing 'works' AND everything 'works'. That's why all the experts disagree and why we see PUA's all using completely different styles and who all have completely different personalities (compare rsdjeffy with 'mystery' for example lol) and different tactics (in terms of outergame) and all getting at least some results. (even very similar results)

Some say never go direct. Some say never go indirect. Some say never ask questions but make cold reads. Some say that makes you sound weird, and to just ask questions like a normal person. Could go on and on about how they disagree on every single 'nuance' of what to say lol. (in other words , one is guaranteed to be doing lots of things 'wrong' in the eyes of one of the main dating coaches/PUA's)

It's about being her type and her being somewhat attracted to you before you even finish your opener. It's a numbers game. You 'comliment and tease' example sounds very much like the London Daygame model ('hi, i was over there and saw you and thought you looked very nice! You looked like a pink flamingo in your pink jacket blablabla''. If she seems not interested, then use some 'pushpull' lines to magically MAKE her attracted etc)

 

[BaronOfHair]

Matter of fact most of the daygame advice on the internet is the same : compliment first, get her into conversation, tease if she is resisting, "plow" and so on and so forth

One possible explanation for what you describe:

Effective strategies and tactics for achieving a goal are inevitably more similar than they are different. By contrast, the more flashy a and byzantine a "method" becomes, the more INEFFECTUAL it tends to he in practice

 

[frenchflow]

This is my position on this: if I went from trying for two years and still being a virgin while using the same method everyone is advising, especially for daygame, to having sex with 8 women in a month in under a year, there HAS to be a method that works better than the other one. Add to that the argument that most of the things I do are a world apart from what is usually discussed on these forums. I'm not trying to be egotistical, I'm just making a point. I'm right now writing this from a my bed . Just pulled a new woman in under three hours from open to close. Approached her by asking about Starbucks. No compliments at first until she gave me social reciprocity. Then I worked on primal subconscious attraction, managed the logistics, and now she's sleeping exhausted next to me.
A lot of the strategies I read about are messy , disorganised. It's a lot of "be yourself". A lot of " everything can work". It's too open minded and philosophical. My mentor had to make me go through an almost military regiment . Everything is precise and calculated. We rehearse things at home on camera . Which is why I disagree with the idea that things that most people use are what work better. It's not. It's usually just because they don't know anything better. Too much ego to try something new . Just my two cents .

 

[Clockwerk50]

This is my position on this: if I went from trying for two years and still being a virgin while using the same method everyone is advising, especially for daygame, to having sex with 8 women in a month in under a year, there HAS to be a method that works better than the other one. Add to that the argument that most of the things I do are a world apart from what is usually discussed on these forums. I'm not trying to be egotistical, I'm just making a point. I'm right now writing this from a my bed . Just pulled a new woman in under three hours from open to close. Approached her by asking about Starbucks. No compliments at first until she gave me social reciprocity. Then I worked on primal subconscious attraction, managed the logistics, and now she's sleeping exhausted next to me.
A lot of the strategies I read about are messy , disorganised. It's a lot of "be yourself". A lot of " everything can work". It's too open minded and philosophical. My mentor had to make me go through an almost military regiment . Everything is precise and calculated. We rehearse things at home on camera . Which is why I disagree with the idea that things that most people use are what work better. It's not. It's usually just because they don't know anything better. Too much ego to try something new . Just my two cents .

So, what is your strategy, and how is it different from what everyone else “advises”?

 

[Plinco]

This is my position on this: if I went from trying for two years and still being a virgin while using the same method everyone is advising, especially for daygame, to having sex with 8 women in a month in under a year, there HAS to be a method that works better than the other one. Add to that the argument that most of the things I do are a world apart from what is usually discussed on these forums. I'm not trying to be egotistical, I'm just making a point. I'm right now writing this from a my bed . Just pulled a new woman in under three hours from open to close. Approached her by asking about Starbucks. No compliments at first until she gave me social reciprocity. Then I worked on primal subconscious attraction, managed the logistics, and now she's sleeping exhausted next to me.
A lot of the strategies I read about are messy , disorganised. It's a lot of "be yourself". A lot of " everything can work". It's too open minded and philosophical. My mentor had to make me go through an almost military regiment . Everything is precise and calculated. We rehearse things at home on camera . Which is why I disagree with the idea that things that most people use are what work better. It's not. It's usually just because they don't know anything better. Too much ego to try something new . Just my two cents .

So you're taking an indirect approach. What do you think is wrong about a more direct approach to demonstrate that you find her attractive, like saying "Hey you're cute. What's your name?"

 

[BackInTheGame78]

This is kind of ridiculous.

It would be like asking if playing in the NBA is easier if you are Michael Jordan versus some random dude.

Of course it is. This is so common sense it should not even be a question.

 

[BaronOfHair]

This is kind of ridiculous.

It would be like asking if playing in the NBA is easier if you are Michael Jordan versus some random dude.

Of course it is. This is so common sense it should not even be a question.

More like "Is it easier, on most day's anyway; to get in and out of Trader Joe's at 10AM that it is between 3-6PM? Ya know, when they are fewer obstacles standing between me and the register?"

Yes, of course it is

 

[frenchflow]

So you're taking an indirect approach. What do you think is wrong about a more direct approach to demonstrate that you find her attractive, like saying "Hey you're cute. What's your name?"

According to my mentor ( and it's been confirmed by personal experience), there are several things that are wrong with a direct approach:
1. It's not socially intelligent: she knows guys who have experience with women low how to "play the game " so to speak. Picture yourself going to the car lot to purchase a new vehicle and the sales person says: " hi man, Im looking to make some money off of you right now so why don't you bring your ass over there and buy that crappy but expensive car over there?" .
It's literally the same thing " Hi, I have nothing to offer yet but I think you are attractive so maybe we can ****?"

2. It doesn't allow you to display your value properly. You're basically having tinder in real life. You force her to make a snap decision, and assuming that you're not her usual type, it will be a NO. I am a Caucasian myself but my mentor is a black guy almost exclusively dating model looking white women . In a case like his, he had to be indirect, because a lot of the women he gets with wouldn't give him a proper chance upfront. He looks like a ninja turtle and he's a bit chubby. Being indirect allows him to go under the radar and raise his value over a few minutes first, then strike when the iron is hot.
Similarly if you are on the shorter side, older, or just an average guy with nothing that stands out, being indirect allows toi to raise your value progressively. Even body language cues often take time to register in a woman's subconscious. Why would I elicit a NO from the beginning and then have to fight with her internal rejection, when I can just build trust first , then raise my value progressively?

3. Some reasoning behind direct game is the need to sexualize. Which is true. You don't want to be friendzoned . but sexualising doesn't mean you have to lack some tact . I start "accidental" then progressively sexualize over the conversation. The more she gets committed to talk to me and impress me, the more I can stear things towards a more sexual interaction.