"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Is this a good rejection to "success" ratio?

dudewut

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Out of 20 girls in my life that I have been "involved" with I have been rejected by 11 and I succeeded with 9, out of that 9, 4 approached me. I am 20 years old btw.

I dont know I just got bored and decided to count girls lol I know I am not that good looking, but I dont know if thats decent or what....but now my oneitis is cured I am thinking of going back to the game (and increase those numbers exponentially) as soon as this semester ends.

oh and "success" would be when they initiated a "date" or going out, I mean thats gotta count for something right?
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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PapiChulo

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Thats good numbers unless you are biasing us.
 

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if I was I would make the rejections less or something lol I did not include how many women I actually met in my life (I cant even remember how many they are exactly)
 

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According to Louis and Copeland (How to Succeed with Women, 2000) a "successful seducer" will sleep with 1 out of 4 women he dates. So you appear successful.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Mike32ct

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bigneil said:
According to Louis and Copeland (How to Succeed with Women, 2000) a "successful seducer" will sleep with 1 out of 4 women he dates. So you appear successful.
I haven't read that one in a long time. Subject to check, I think they said 1 in 10.

Either way, those are good numbers you have dude.
 

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You're right Mike32ct - it was actually two statistics -

(I don't have the book in front of me but it's something like:)

1) A successful seducer gets a date with 1 in 10 women he asks out.
2) A successful seducer gets laid by 1 in 4 women he dates.

So it was actually 1 in 40, depending on how you look at it. But he said he was involved already so I went to step 2.

Classic book.
 

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bigneil said:
You're right Mike32ct - it was actually two statistics -

(I don't have the book in front of me but it's something like:)

1) A successful seducer gets a date with 1 in 10 women he asks out.
2) A successful seducer gets laid by 1 in 4 women he dates.

So it was actually 1 in 40, depending on how you look at it. But he said he was involved already so I went to step 2.

Classic book.
It looks pretty low to me. I'm not a celebrity, a millionnaire nor a Calvin Klein model but after improving my game consistently over the years my stats would be more something like:

- 4 or 5 dates out of 10 approaches (dates, not numbers. flaky numbers are just padding the stats)
- More importantly 4 or 5 out of the 5 dates I get end with a kiss on the first date and a lay on the second or third.

Once the girl comes to a date, your job is to not mess it up. At some point in your progression, you should always be able to close the deal on the second or third date if you didn't commit any deal-breaking blunder.

As for the approach ratio. One of the surest ways to improve it is by reading girls body language more accurately to pick ones exhibiting signs of availibility/interest however subtle they may be.
Eye contact, smile, direction of the body etc. Just my 2cts.
 

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Well why fighting on numbers I don't believe that number carries luck so why fight for it so much if there is some worthy of fighting with it is in your work field or study field ....
 

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I dont think ratio means shyt. If some nerd grows the balls to approach one woman and gets laid, then never tries again, he still has a 100% ratio. On the other hand, the top pickup gurus have literally been rejected thousands of times, because they play the numbers game. A lot of them chalk their score up to 150 women f closed. So, they are running less than ten percent approach to sex ratio.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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horaholic said:
I dont think ratio means shyt. If some nerd grows the balls to approach one woman and gets laid, then never tries again, he still has a 100% ratio. On the other hand, the top pickup gurus have literally been rejected thousands of times, because they play the numbers game. A lot of them chalk their score up to 150 women f closed. So, they are running less than ten percent approach to sex ratio.
I totally agree with the observation that you can't succeed without failing many times. You have to get to the point where you actually embrace and dare I say enjoy rejection as it's the best way to learn.

The pitfall you should avoid though is repeating the same mistakes over and over again and relying on blind luck to turn things around.
 
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