"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Is this a bad idea? Involves EX (shes now showing big IOIs)

zzeitgeist

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Guys quick story short, I dated my EX for 4 years, lived for 1 of those years. She broke up with me, I turned into an AFC trying to get her back. Fast forward a year later and I have changed quite a bit, great job, new car, great shape.. pretty much the best me ever. During that 1 year I saw her twice for quick coffees but got rid of her and worked on myself.

This last time we met she invited me out to go out with her.. I was bored so I did.. we went kayaking and spent a good 4-5 hours together. She kept making excuses to extend her time with me and even offered to pay for my food when we went to get food... to which I declined. Now guys, keep in mind shes been dating some bloke for about 8 months now...

So anywho, I dropped her off and she went on about how I have to come out with her again to this bar. I told her "yea, maybe". So she messages me on facebook..

ex-
Hey!
Do you wanna go to the mountain shadow next wednesday? Its really fun! and they have like 25cent wings or something like that if we get there early!

me-
That should work, BUT its kinda early so I don't wanna make any promises. Plus i will probably drink, i don't know if I want you to see me all boozed up :p

ex-
September 3 at 9:48pm
Omg just come with me!! Ill see u boozed up at some point, mite aswell be now.
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so anywho, its in a few days and I still haven't given her the FOR SURE. I am currently spinning some plates with some younger girls but I dunno, I feel like I can get her back by laying some game on her this wednesday, I mean I have come a long way from my AFC ways and I wanna get laid and I feel there is still something there.

The problem is shes dating someone, but obviously cant be that great if she wants to come hang out with me... and ****, deep inside I feel like this might be a bad idea.

THOUGHTS?
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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tsmith2334

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Yea, definitely interested. She wants you now that you're gone. Pretty typical among women... a horrible trait in my opinion.

The ball is in your court now. If you want sex you can probably get it. Totally your call.
 
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