"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
Is there a time where "Nice guys finish first?"
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Don't be too sure it doesn't apply to youMaxtro said:
Its not just whether you exhibit this behaviour, if its there is a perception that you *might* exhibit this behaviour, or have these thoughts in private.
"Too nice" is often code for needy. Its a criticism - try and think more about what they really mean when they say this. Girls just like anyone else don't always want to tell you the truth, just as you don't want to hear the truth. It suits them to use code and it suits you to hear code. Its not always about what people say to you...its what they say ABOUT you
It suits you to hear 'too nice' because its a 'soft criticism', it tells you its not really your fault. If you are 'too nice' it implies that they aren't that nice, that you are too nice for them...this implies a certain attitude you have towards them, that they're not that nice themselves...maybe it isn't verbalized that way, but thats a negative attitude - and thats why should look at that list and really start to think more about 'well does any of that actually apply to me, why I am so sure it doesn't?'
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If this is your attitude about women, then are you sure you are not transmitting this? And does this make you 'nice/decent'? Does the a$$hole you lose out to have this kind of attitude about womenMaxtro said:
There's kind of a sense of bitterness and entitlement here, are theses statements really any different from the things in my list you say don't apply to you? Why so sure the list doesn't apply to you?
Their idea of a nice guy is a super handsome, athletic, well-off, culture, guy whom is especially nice TO THEM. They don't mean the lovable, chubby, gamer nerd that likes to write poetry. They mean a ruggedly handsome, fireman that daytrades stocks making a fortune on the side, type of "nice guy."
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
women haze said:
at church. religious girls are all aobut the nice guy.
i know this hotttt girl at my church who i dated back in hs. right after me, she dated another jerk.
now she's been in a commited relationship with a church dude for the last 3
years. they seem pretty happy together, him, because theres no way he'll ever get anyone hot than this girl. her, because she finally has a loving bf whom she probably thinks is rare. i see their pictures on facebook all the time.
i half think that religion was founded back in the day so that there would be more nice guys out in the world which would be beneficial to society (rather than a bunch of alpha males butting heads).
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no man really finnishes first or wins per say but nice guys struggle more in the dating and mating game cause its a competition and evil tactics / cheating give an advantage....nismo-4 said:
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By nice I mean someone who is respectful, altruistic, kind, blah blah blah...
Statistically speaking I'm more attractive, in better shape, stronger, more educated/intelligent, make more money, etc than your average dude. I'm 5'8' - 185 lbs and growing. I'm a competitive bodybuilder who has 2 university degrees and earn over 100k in a cool job/career with a great upside. I'm engaged to a semi-pro fitness/glamour model. If you wanna see pics just search my previous posts.
Although I consider myself "nice" I've/am done many things that mainstream society would consider deviant, and wouldn't associate with being "nice":
- Drugs... I like drugs. I've done lots of them, everything from anabolics to marijuana, to prescription amphetamines, to salvia.
- Was a stripper for several years: Done hundreds of shows all over Western Canada. The cash was great!
- Sold drugs. Not for profit, just to my friends who needed stuff.
- Made bad choices like unprotected sex with multiple women.
- Had group sex.
- Would routine sleep w/ multiple women (spin plates) prior to my LTR... I never lied about it to the women, they simply accepted it.
One of my good buddies, super nice guy, has banged over 200 girls. This guy was a stripper for 10+ years and has had an orgy with pornstar Sadie Swede, and a 3-time Ms. Nude Canada. Several of my other friends are no different, super nice guys... with triple digit kills.
I think we should define what we consider to be "nice" to make this discussion more meaningful. After all, depending on the definition, there could be lots of nice guys who "finish first".
"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
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you are a PHYSICAL ALPHA + so yes you will have lots of easy fun and bang the bang male's wives and girlfriends.....lolFuglydude said:
Girls are turned on by guys who treat them like crap. They're turned off by guys who are too nice to them. There is a direct correlation. Men are often the opposite. They're turned off by girls who are mean, b!tchy, rude or condescending. They're turned on by girls who are nice. I'm sure many guys would prefer to have an uglier chick who is nicer to them than a hotter b!tchier one. They'd probably fvck the b!tchy but wouldn't want to keep her.Sh0t said:
So basically girls lose attraction to a good looking rich guy if he's too nice to them (and probably cheat on him and spend his money on some other guy). But they'll become more attracted to a physically unattractive bum if he is mean to them.
In the end many of them become angry and bitter with a hatred towards all men. Women are fvcked up because obtaining their evolutionary desire in terms of partners often leaves them angry and bitter. Whereas when I get my evolutionary desire in partners (young, tight vagina) I'm happy as fvck and give myself a high five.
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