"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
Is there a time where "Nice guys finish first?"
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"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Don't be too sure it doesn't apply to youMaxtro said:
Its not just whether you exhibit this behaviour, if its there is a perception that you *might* exhibit this behaviour, or have these thoughts in private.
"Too nice" is often code for needy. Its a criticism - try and think more about what they really mean when they say this. Girls just like anyone else don't always want to tell you the truth, just as you don't want to hear the truth. It suits them to use code and it suits you to hear code. Its not always about what people say to you...its what they say ABOUT you
It suits you to hear 'too nice' because its a 'soft criticism', it tells you its not really your fault. If you are 'too nice' it implies that they aren't that nice, that you are too nice for them...this implies a certain attitude you have towards them, that they're not that nice themselves...maybe it isn't verbalized that way, but thats a negative attitude - and thats why should look at that list and really start to think more about 'well does any of that actually apply to me, why I am so sure it doesn't?'
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If this is your attitude about women, then are you sure you are not transmitting this? And does this make you 'nice/decent'? Does the a$$hole you lose out to have this kind of attitude about womenMaxtro said:
There's kind of a sense of bitterness and entitlement here, are theses statements really any different from the things in my list you say don't apply to you? Why so sure the list doesn't apply to you?
Their idea of a nice guy is a super handsome, athletic, well-off, culture, guy whom is especially nice TO THEM. They don't mean the lovable, chubby, gamer nerd that likes to write poetry. They mean a ruggedly handsome, fireman that daytrades stocks making a fortune on the side, type of "nice guy."
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
women haze said:
at church. religious girls are all aobut the nice guy.
i know this hotttt girl at my church who i dated back in hs. right after me, she dated another jerk.
now she's been in a commited relationship with a church dude for the last 3
years. they seem pretty happy together, him, because theres no way he'll ever get anyone hot than this girl. her, because she finally has a loving bf whom she probably thinks is rare. i see their pictures on facebook all the time.
i half think that religion was founded back in the day so that there would be more nice guys out in the world which would be beneficial to society (rather than a bunch of alpha males butting heads).
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no man really finnishes first or wins per say but nice guys struggle more in the dating and mating game cause its a competition and evil tactics / cheating give an advantage....nismo-4 said:
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By nice I mean someone who is respectful, altruistic, kind, blah blah blah...
Statistically speaking I'm more attractive, in better shape, stronger, more educated/intelligent, make more money, etc than your average dude. I'm 5'8' - 185 lbs and growing. I'm a competitive bodybuilder who has 2 university degrees and earn over 100k in a cool job/career with a great upside. I'm engaged to a semi-pro fitness/glamour model. If you wanna see pics just search my previous posts.
Although I consider myself "nice" I've/am done many things that mainstream society would consider deviant, and wouldn't associate with being "nice":
- Drugs... I like drugs. I've done lots of them, everything from anabolics to marijuana, to prescription amphetamines, to salvia.
- Was a stripper for several years: Done hundreds of shows all over Western Canada. The cash was great!
- Sold drugs. Not for profit, just to my friends who needed stuff.
- Made bad choices like unprotected sex with multiple women.
- Had group sex.
- Would routine sleep w/ multiple women (spin plates) prior to my LTR... I never lied about it to the women, they simply accepted it.
One of my good buddies, super nice guy, has banged over 200 girls. This guy was a stripper for 10+ years and has had an orgy with pornstar Sadie Swede, and a 3-time Ms. Nude Canada. Several of my other friends are no different, super nice guys... with triple digit kills.
I think we should define what we consider to be "nice" to make this discussion more meaningful. After all, depending on the definition, there could be lots of nice guys who "finish first".
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
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you are a PHYSICAL ALPHA + so yes you will have lots of easy fun and bang the bang male's wives and girlfriends.....lolFuglydude said:
Girls are turned on by guys who treat them like crap. They're turned off by guys who are too nice to them. There is a direct correlation. Men are often the opposite. They're turned off by girls who are mean, b!tchy, rude or condescending. They're turned on by girls who are nice. I'm sure many guys would prefer to have an uglier chick who is nicer to them than a hotter b!tchier one. They'd probably fvck the b!tchy but wouldn't want to keep her.Sh0t said:
So basically girls lose attraction to a good looking rich guy if he's too nice to them (and probably cheat on him and spend his money on some other guy). But they'll become more attracted to a physically unattractive bum if he is mean to them.
In the end many of them become angry and bitter with a hatred towards all men. Women are fvcked up because obtaining their evolutionary desire in terms of partners often leaves them angry and bitter. Whereas when I get my evolutionary desire in partners (young, tight vagina) I'm happy as fvck and give myself a high five.
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