"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Is there a golden rule for the amount of time to get sex?

TheNonPedant

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Been dating this girl for 2 weeks....make out....but no sex....she don't even get naked

My girl roomate says that 2 weeks is fast....some girls need more time

What do you guys think is the grace period before sex should happen while dating someone?

I thought 2 weeks was pretty long...

Opinions appreciated
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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OddTech

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Hey, I'm in the exact same situation. It's been two weeks, and even making-out (2nd base?) with this one girl is slow getting to. I'm her 2nd guy she ever dated before.

My thought with this situation is to keep chugging slowly and making the moves while looking for other prospects as well. I will put a certain time limit on my situation ... if by a time she doesn't open up, then I have no choice but to dump her. I can't wait forever, ya know. But since I have other prospects now, she's in the back-burner, and I'm in no hurry.

I don't think there is a certain time limit. Remember that most girls want sex just as much as guys. So if she's holding out sex, it could be legitimate, but it could be because she is using it as leverage. You have to take this girl's background into account. Is she an overly-moral type? Is she religious? How old is she? Based on that, you can judge how long to wait. I admit I'm more patient, so my maximum waiting time has been 3 months.
 

Walden

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3rd date.

Otherwise (unless she's special) you could lay four girls who like to party in the amount of time it'll take you to f*** close this one.

If it fizzes at date three I LJBF them (but keep up the kino on subsequent meetings) saying I tend to only go for girls who are super-confident (which is the truth).

Genrally speaking I'll lay them that night or on the next date.
 

princelydeeds

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The question is how long are you willing to wait? I have one chick it took me a year to bone and we still don't do it regularly. She is very religious and her heart was in the right place. I'm not the fall in love type but if I were she would probably be a good match for me. I hated waiting but I was willing to wait because she is special to me.

I will bone most broads on the first night and Im not willing to wait more than 2 or 3 dates.
 

dietzcoi

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Somewhere between first date and nine years is probably the correct answer! :)

Thenonpendant: Why are you asking a WOMAN (girl roommate)for advice on this? Haven't you learned from this board, that is the most useless thing you could do?

Dietzcoi
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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