"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Is theory detrimental?

Bossman90

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Has anyone found that PU theory to be detrimental to your social skills and game?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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PU being different than DJ, right? I don't do PU but I've tried to ingrain the DJ mindset which I think is good for a man's emotional health.
 

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If you start seeing the world as alphas vs betas and get wrapped up in that psychology...well...you're going down a dark and twisted road...

If you learn to see yourself as strong and work to actualize your dreams...some of these principles can jive nicely...or, can sure help you see where to waste your time less.

The big message is don't let this board turn you Sinister.

I have found after reading a slough of depressing threads it just breeds cynicism...this is not always helpful nor will help you get to where you ultimately want to go.

Take things with a grain of salt. Make your own truths based on your experiences and your research.
 

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Buddha_Mind said:
If you start seeing the world as alphas vs betas and get wrapped up in that psychology...well...you're going down a dark and twisted road...

If you learn to see yourself as strong and work to actualize your dreams...some of these principles can jive nicely...or, can sure help you see where to waste your time less.

The big message is don't let this board turn you Sinister.

I have found after reading a slough of depressing threads it just breeds cynicism...this is not always helpful nor will help you get to where you ultimately want to go.

Take things with a grain of salt. Make your own truths based on your experiences and your research.
Agreed. Guys spend entirely too much time theorizing about seduction, especially PUAs. The funny thing is, I've yet to meet a normal guy who claims to be a pick up artist. Show me a guy who is a Mystery Method practitioner, and I'll show you a weird and lonely fella....

Basically, I've come to realize that really all you need are social skills, basic flirting skills, and time interacting with people--women primarily--to become skilled at dealing with people/women.

Along the way, you find out what works the best for you. Most of this stuff is common sense when you really think about it.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I'm starting to really believe that it is. However, this site is full of so much good info. Being aware of what attracts women (confidence, sexuality) and how certain behaviors can "friendzone" you while others can make her think of you as a sexual partner is priceless info. Also, knowing about the games that women play is very beneficial so you don't let them use you and waste your time. But yes, I agree that thinking about it and letting it consume your every waking thought is detrimental.
 

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"Pickup theory" is just focused social skills and fundamentals of power as it relates to seduction.

Now, when you do unplug from the Matrix and see how you've been wrong, how "I can't believe this stupid sh!t works", you will most likely become disenchanted at some point. It's a phase of a larger process of self development, and a passing one at that.

Eventually you will realize how much power you actually have (self-actualization), and that's when life becomes really fun.

Your chances of finding a "quality woman" off the bat are almost nil. They need some semblance of malleability, but they need to be trained. By you.

PS. If you want to take a break from the "tips and techniques" and learn the CORE philosophies, I strongly suggest you read The 48 Laws of Power and The Art of Seduction (both by Robert Greene) and begin applying. It will change all aspects of your life.
 

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Yes, when you put in in terms of "PU theory" I tend to think it's been detrimental. It's not to say I disagree with the concepts, but it has made my interactions "less natural," in the sense that I tend to overthink things and try to apply (my loose grasp of) theory to what is going on. It's probably case of information-overload more than anything. I think fixing one or two key concepts in mind and then just taking action (rather than thinking) is the best way forward. I have a weakness for theories and ideas in general, though, so this is probably more of a problem for me personally than it is for other people.
 

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muscleman said:
"Pickup theory" is just focused social skills and fundamentals of power as it relates to seduction.

Now, when you do unplug from the Matrix and see how you've been wrong, how "I can't believe this stupid sh!t works", you will most likely become disenchanted at some point. It's a phase of a larger process of self development, and a passing one at that.

Eventually you will realize how much power you actually have (self-actualization), and that's when life becomes really fun.

Your chances of finding a "quality woman" off the bat are almost nil. They need some semblance of malleability, but they need to be trained. By you.

PS. If you want to take a break from the "tips and techniques" and learn the CORE philosophies, I strongly suggest you read The 48 Laws of Power and The Art of Seduction (both by Robert Greene) and begin applying. It will change all aspects of your life.
That and I reccoment book of look and how to be an alpha male. Two great books that have helped me so much.
 

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I first read "The Game" by Neil Strauss a few years ago, and really enjoyed it. I decided to reread it just a couple of weeks ago, and can barely make it halfway through.... I'm not saying he isn't being truthful in the book, but frankly I don't see most of the information there being a fit for me. And yes, I understand that "The Game" is a sensational, impractical, milquetoast essay that was written more for entertainment than as a true guide on how to pick up women.

Frankly, the nuggets of useful information from that book can be found right here in this forum -- the stuff that IS practical and helps to boost your confidence, and to get yourself in good mental and physical shape.

It usually takes a while for an aspiring DJ to sift through all the information and decide what is best for himself or herself personally. Many tips and theories seem to contradict others, but in reality different tips are meant for different types of people (different personality types, different ages, different goals, etc.)

On thing is certain. I will NEVER tell someone to wear a pink feather boa and use the line "I would SO be into you if I weren't gay."

The Gambler
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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The Gambler said:
I first read "The Game" by Neil Strauss a few years ago, and really enjoyed it. I decided to reread it just a couple of weeks ago, and can barely make it halfway through.... I'm not saying he isn't being truthful in the book, but frankly I don't see most of the information there being a fit for me. And yes, I understand that "The Game" is a sensational, impractical, milquetoast essay that was written more for entertainment than as a true guide on how to pick up women.

Frankly, the nuggets of useful information from that book can be found right here in this forum -- the stuff that IS practical and helps to boost your confidence, and to get yourself in good mental and physical shape.

It usually takes a while for an aspiring DJ to sift through all the information and decide what is best for himself or herself personally. Many tips and theories seem to contradict others, but in reality different tips are meant for different types of people (different personality types, different ages, different goals, etc.)

On thing is certain. I will NEVER tell someone to wear a pink feather boa and use the line "I would SO be into you if I weren't gay."

The Gambler
minus the pink boa that line would probably work wonders.
 

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Bossman90 said:
Has anyone found that PU theory to be detrimental to your social skills and game?
You ask a valid and good question. Probably yes. It's really like how too much theory is detrimental in science and engineering.

The more complicated the theory; the better chances of it being bull-sh!t.


Beginners tend to respect theory more than "real world experience" and that's the danger. Over-analyzing menial stuff, theorizing instead of trying can lead to eventual failure creating bitter old men, who complain about the women because they "figured out" that their theories have come to a dead end.

As long as you have a sound, simple understanding and you really try it out outside, without respecting anything a priori, you are probably on the right path.

What did Master Nimzo say? (Not Nizmo)

Theory , And Practice hold the key.
 

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csycpr said:
Yes, when you put in in terms of "PU theory" I tend to think it's been detrimental. It's not to say I disagree with the concepts, but it has made my interactions "less natural,"
Yeah, all this stuff is just life. I think you're better off just engaging girls in a natural way, being yourself. Unless yourself is a total raving pvssy. The point is to be bold, lose your fear, talk to the girls you're attracted to, don't be afraid to touch them, etc. Other than that, I think most of the "tips and tricks" are largely bullsh!t, even if they are based on a solid principle.
 

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Yeah, all this stuff is just life. I think you're better off just engaging girls in a natural way, being yourself. Unless yourself is a total raving pvssy. The point is to be bold, lose your fear, talk to the girls you're attracted to, don't be afraid to touch them, etc. Other than that, I think most of the "tips and tricks" are largely bullsh!t, even if they are based on a solid principle.

Ya know, I've been such a damn pessimist lately that I had to really stop and think about that. But nah, although I admit I'm too timid when it comes to escalation, it's a stretch to call me a "total raving pvssy." Phew, close one. :)

But this is where tips and stuff come sometimes come in handy: when I want to escalate and know that I should escalate and can tell that the time is right to escalate...and I still freakin don't. But this is also where too much theory just trips me up. I think "keeping it simple, stupid" would be the best principle here. (After all, it's only a girl, sheesh. lol)
 

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zekko said:
Yeah, all this stuff is just life. I think you're better off just engaging girls in a natural way, being yourself. Unless yourself is a total raving pvssy. The point is to be bold, lose your fear, talk to the girls you're attracted to, don't be afraid to touch them, etc. Other than that, I think most of the "tips and tricks" are largely bullsh!t, even if they are based on a solid principle.
succinct but correct in my opinion.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Everything we do is laden with "Theory". It can be helpful or detrimental depending on each situation.
 
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