That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Agreed. Guys spend entirely too much time theorizing about seduction, especially PUAs. The funny thing is, I've yet to meet a normal guy who claims to be a pick up artist. Show me a guy who is a Mystery Method practitioner, and I'll show you a weird and lonely fella....Buddha_Mind said:If you start seeing the world as alphas vs betas and get wrapped up in that psychology...well...you're going down a dark and twisted road...
If you learn to see yourself as strong and work to actualize your dreams...some of these principles can jive nicely...or, can sure help you see where to waste your time less.
The big message is don't let this board turn you Sinister.
I have found after reading a slough of depressing threads it just breeds cynicism...this is not always helpful nor will help you get to where you ultimately want to go.
Take things with a grain of salt. Make your own truths based on your experiences and your research.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
That and I reccoment book of look and how to be an alpha male. Two great books that have helped me so much.muscleman said:"Pickup theory" is just focused social skills and fundamentals of power as it relates to seduction.
Now, when you do unplug from the Matrix and see how you've been wrong, how "I can't believe this stupid sh!t works", you will most likely become disenchanted at some point. It's a phase of a larger process of self development, and a passing one at that.
Eventually you will realize how much power you actually have (self-actualization), and that's when life becomes really fun.
Your chances of finding a "quality woman" off the bat are almost nil. They need some semblance of malleability, but they need to be trained. By you.
PS. If you want to take a break from the "tips and techniques" and learn the CORE philosophies, I strongly suggest you read The 48 Laws of Power and The Art of Seduction (both by Robert Greene) and begin applying. It will change all aspects of your life.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
minus the pink boa that line would probably work wonders.The Gambler said:I first read "The Game" by Neil Strauss a few years ago, and really enjoyed it. I decided to reread it just a couple of weeks ago, and can barely make it halfway through.... I'm not saying he isn't being truthful in the book, but frankly I don't see most of the information there being a fit for me. And yes, I understand that "The Game" is a sensational, impractical, milquetoast essay that was written more for entertainment than as a true guide on how to pick up women.
Frankly, the nuggets of useful information from that book can be found right here in this forum -- the stuff that IS practical and helps to boost your confidence, and to get yourself in good mental and physical shape.
It usually takes a while for an aspiring DJ to sift through all the information and decide what is best for himself or herself personally. Many tips and theories seem to contradict others, but in reality different tips are meant for different types of people (different personality types, different ages, different goals, etc.)
On thing is certain. I will NEVER tell someone to wear a pink feather boa and use the line "I would SO be into you if I weren't gay."
The Gambler
You ask a valid and good question. Probably yes. It's really like how too much theory is detrimental in science and engineering.Bossman90 said:Has anyone found that PU theory to be detrimental to your social skills and game?
Yeah, all this stuff is just life. I think you're better off just engaging girls in a natural way, being yourself. Unless yourself is a total raving pvssy. The point is to be bold, lose your fear, talk to the girls you're attracted to, don't be afraid to touch them, etc. Other than that, I think most of the "tips and tricks" are largely bullsh!t, even if they are based on a solid principle.csycpr said:Yes, when you put in in terms of "PU theory" I tend to think it's been detrimental. It's not to say I disagree with the concepts, but it has made my interactions "less natural,"
zekko said:Yeah, all this stuff is just life. I think you're better off just engaging girls in a natural way, being yourself. Unless yourself is a total raving pvssy. The point is to be bold, lose your fear, talk to the girls you're attracted to, don't be afraid to touch them, etc. Other than that, I think most of the "tips and tricks" are largely bullsh!t, even if they are based on a solid principle.
succinct but correct in my opinion.zekko said:Yeah, all this stuff is just life. I think you're better off just engaging girls in a natural way, being yourself. Unless yourself is a total raving pvssy. The point is to be bold, lose your fear, talk to the girls you're attracted to, don't be afraid to touch them, etc. Other than that, I think most of the "tips and tricks" are largely bullsh!t, even if they are based on a solid principle.
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.