Is the logical formula: Confidence AND (Short AND/OR Ugly) = C0cky (i.e., with the negative connotation)?

[MatureDJ]

I was watching this, and it got me thinking:

 

[Mike32ct]

Confidence:

Either a guy is the type where he doesn’t need it, or he’s the type that is “not allowed” to have it.

 

[MatureDJ]

Confidence:

Either a guy is the type where he doesn’t need it, or he’s the type that is “not allowed” to have it.

Very good! It's like banks only wanting to lend to folks that don't need a loan.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

No. Just no.

My best friend growing up was 5' 5" and his brother 5' 2".

Both of them always had hot women because they never allowed their height to have any effect on their confidence.

People try and blame things for their issues when in most cases it is simply their belief that it is an issue that is the real issue. I mean if you are 800 lbs or something then yeah obviously that is an issue. But in MOST cases it is the internal belief system that is the problem.

 

[Lookatu]

I'm a minority and my parents always told me to improve my qualities that I have within my control so people will overlook other aspects. This is what ultimately crushes barriers IMO, whether its race, looks, deformities, sexual orientation, etc.

Look at Kevin Hart for example. Another good example is Bobby Lee. This guy has two deficits, being an Asian and being short(5'5") living in USA. Look at his wife who's taller than him that he's been with 5-7 years now.

 

[Lookatu]

You also need to stop giving a sh1t about people’s approval. I’ve seen the ugliest, bummiest looking, and fattest dudes pull hot chicks from the bars. They all seemed to have natural self esteem and didn’t care what people think.

It has nothing to do with approval and everything to do with projecting the best that you can be. I constantly strive to improve my mind, body, soul and it shows to other people where even a booger hanging out my nose is secondary to how they see me. Every human should always strive to be the best they can be IMO.

I've met dudes that straight up looked like they just got out of prison for example, but once they opened their mouths and shared their minds, any preconceived notions flew right out the door. Their appearance at that point became invisible to me.

 

[Lookatu]

Ive seen guys do the whole self improvement thing, get a nice body, nice car, job,house, etc, and still suck with women.

Nowhere do I see things mentioned about improving mind and soul in the above sentence. People these days work on improving only one or two out of the three and I see this as imbalanced, therefore it can lead to failure.

You can do all the self improvement all you want. But it has to be for yourself. If you do it for validation, it won’t work.

I would agree that some do it for other's approval and those guys will always lose in the end because that's not sustainable IMO for the long haul. Any guy can easily determine this if they ask themselves, if they can get free unlimited pvssy, desire, relationships from any girl theoretically, would they still be exercising, learning, improving? If that answer is no, then they are more or less doing it for approval of others.

 

[Mike32ct]

These incels never achieve any victories in life on which to hang their hat, totally apart from women.

They’re told by blue pill parents that the popular school bully will never amount to anything, but the bright incel kid will succeed in the end.

The problem is that the incel is so discouraged by the early rejections from women that he may not end up applying himself in other areas; so he ends up wasting his talent.

Not saying that’s good, but it happens.

 

[Lookatu]

I think we agree on the most part.

So I look at it as evolution of the soul.

That's my consensus too. And I think you hit the nail of what was stirring in me but just incapable of wording it more eloquently.

Evolution. Remember that gents.

Evolution is why we are all here on forums like this.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

I'm a minority and my parents always told me to improve my qualities that I have within my control so people will overlook other aspects. This is what ultimately crushes barriers IMO, whether its race, looks, deformities, sexual orientation, etc.

Look at Kevin Hart for example. Another good example is Bobby Lee. This guy has two deficits, being an Asian and being short(5'5") living in USA. Look at his wife who's taller than him that he's been with 5-7 years now.

His wife is a gold digger bro


You see, this is the problem with the whole “I’ve seen tons of ugly dudes with hot women” remarks. It’s not that these dudes are so skilled that they’re pulling tail left and right, it’s just that these women want something out of these guys, and the guys are willing to give it. The reality is always gonna be alpha fux, beta bucks though. Society just likes to reframe it as “he makes up for his shortcomings in other ways”. Don’t be fooled. Women might give guys like this a relationship, but they’ll make him work for it and hold sex in front him like a carrot on a stick. But for other dudes, she’ll have sex with them for nothing at all. Would you rather be the guy she talks to over a ‘romantic’ candle-lit dinner? Or the guy she’s hiding from her dad who’s burying her face in a pillow? You’re either one or the other. Especially nowadays.

Also, some of you guys probably have weaker standards for what constitutes as “hot” when it comes to women’s looks. Just saying.

 

[Lookatu]

His wife is a gold digger bro

Gold diggers don't stick with someone for 5-7 years, let alone get married to them when they have many other options. Bobby is hardly rich in those circles at net worth of only 1 million.

Does it ever occur to you that some females aren't that shallow and actually like guys for other things that transcends looks or perceived looks? You're thinking is pretty limited in that regards if that's the case.

Have you actually observed the interaction of any of their videos? There is mutual respect there and she's not digging for gold. It's estimated that she makes around $500k of her own money.

Welcome back from your ban btw.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Confidence:

Either a guy is the type where he doesn’t need it, or he’s the type that is “not allowed” to have it.

What type is not "allowed" to have it? I've heard some females say "ugly" dudes have more confidence. What is "ugly" depends upon the culture.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

You also need to stop giving a sh1t about people’s approval. I’ve seen the ugliest, bummiest looking, and fattest dudes pull hot chicks from the bars. They all seemed to have natural self esteem and didn’t care what people think.

Very true. Those guys might have had social connections though.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Very true. Those guys might have had social connections though.

So the lesson was the guys here need to get up off their excuses.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Gold diggers don't stick with someone for 5-7 years, let alone get married to them when they have many other options. Bobby is hardly rich in those circles at net worth of only 1 million.

Does it ever occur to you that some females aren't that shallow and actually like guys for other things that transcends looks or perceived looks? You're thinking is pretty limited in that regards if that's the case.

Have you actually observed the interaction of any of their videos? There is mutual respect there and she's not digging for gold. It's estimated that she makes around $500k of her own money.

My guy, there’s been people here who’ve posted thread about being in relationships for almost 10 years (bf-gf, not marriage) where it turned out she was a gold digger. She explicitly refused to sign the prenup and her mom was in on it too, for that many years. I forget the title of the thread but I definitely still remember it.

Thing is, women don’t understand that this is happening to them when it’s happening. So the charade can be real, which is crazy.

In the case of Bobby Lee, he and her and actually aren’t married either, fortunately. You don’t just make a comment like she did in the video and dismiss it as innocuous, that was a Freudian slip if I’ve ever heard one.

Welcome back from your ban btw.

Yeah thanks, the ban ended like 2 and a half months ago, it’s just that Von messages me and I got an email notification about it so I hopped back on to respond and then just checked out a few threads.

 

[Mike32ct]

What type is not "allowed" to have it? I've heard some females say "ugly" dudes have more confidence. What is "ugly" depends upon the culture.

Great question but tricky to explain. I'll try here.

If the unattractive guy is able to rock more of a "bad boy" look, then overt signs of confidence will be somewhat better received by women and are somewhat less likely to be perceived as "creepy."

On the other hand, an overweight balding office worker with ill fitting clothes, if he displays overt signs of confidence, will probably be perceived as creepy (even though he's harmless).

All men should be confident and OWN who they are. No question. But whether you should do that OVERTLY or in a more chill subdued sort of way when interacting with women would depend on your looks/status and to some extent your personality*.

*Introverts typically do better rocking a "chill" vibe.

 

[Lookatu]

My guy, there’s been people here who’ve posted thread about being in relationships for almost 10 years (bf-gf, not marriage) where it turned out she was a gold digger.

I think being on here can skew your views very much to one side. I won't debate it with you because you probably haven't ran across many married couples that were happy. So therefore you have your preconceived beliefs on every situation from a third party perspective without actually personally having gone through it. Things aren't so black and white as you make it out to look like.

Let me ask you, have you ever been married or in a ltr? If so, how long? How many gf's have you had in your lifetime?

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

I think being on here can skew your views very much to one side. I won't debate it with you because you probably haven't ran across many married couples that were happy. So therefore you have your preconceived beliefs on every situation from a third party perspective without actually personally having gone through it. Things aren't so black and white as you make it out to look like.

Let me ask you, have you ever been married or in a ltr? If so, how long? How many gf's have you had in your lifetime?

It’s not a skewed perspective so much as it is knowing cause → effect. It’s just what is, not how I’m looking at it. And no, I haven’t been married before (I’m 21 dude), but you don’t need to be in order to notice a common theme. You don’t need a PhD in math to know that 2 + 2 = 4.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Confidence:

Either a guy is the type where he doesn’t need it, or he’s the type that is “not allowed” to have it.

No sh1t absolutely true.

Its probably the only feature which is value or fault according to who has it or better yet "shows it" cause I dont believe genuine confidence can exist in anyone without a win streak in his past.

Funny how even in this forum till few months ago someone kept suggesting to "be more confident".

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Great question but tricky to explain. I'll try here.

If the unattractive guy is able to rock more of a "bad boy" look, then overt signs of confidence will be somewhat better received by women and are somewhat less likely to be perceived as "creepy."

On the other hand, an overweight balding office worker with ill fitting clothes, if he displays overt signs of confidence, will probably be perceived as creepy (even though he's harmless).

All men should be confident and OWN who they are. No question. But whether you should do that OVERTLY or in a more chill subdued sort of way when interacting with women would depend on your looks/status and to some extent your personality*.

*Introverts typically do better rocking a "chill" vibe.

Women will always have a type of man they think don't deserve or should carry his own confidence

No sh1t absolutely true.

Its probably the only feature which is value or fault according to who has it or better yet "shows it" cause I dont believe genuine confidence can exist in anyone without a win streak in his past.

Funny how even in this forum till few months ago someone kept suggesting to "be more confident".

A lotta success will have a lot of confidence. A lot of recent losses will have less confidence.

You take everything from a man, strip everything from him, some men will still will be brimmed with confidence in themselves. They trust themselves and feel capable.