Dhoulmagus
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It seems like it lol
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
The reasons for becoming MGTOW are not always the result of not getting any women.When I think of MGTOW, I think about a man who has tried PUA advice, but it hasn't worked for him. Maybe he doesn't have the tools or motivation or whatever, so he gives up on trying to attract women. Then he tries to make the best life he can for himself with that in mind.
They say feminism is for unattractive women, so that does sound pretty similar - maybe the OP is correct.
I tend to see those guys as regular "DJs", if they are good with women.Starwolf said:There are some men who just don't see the need to comply with the traditional way of living. Getting married, buying a house, raising kids etc.
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
I do not mean to become reckless. I simply mean that you don't think about certain scenarios because you aren't afraid, you don't care what others think of you, and the social skills you have are of second nature, thus you do not need to think about it. So why waste time and think about it? The real man is extremely rational.sylvester the cat said:A man who acts without thinking Is a foolish man.
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
Along with any girl over 27 won't give the male the time of day unless he has money.zekko said:I've always thought that with MGTOW, they've even rejected the casual dating and plate spinning, along with the marriages and LTRs. Today's wh0res aren't worth the effort, that sort of thing. That's what sets them apart. Maybe that's just me though.
Yet I see fat ugly bald men with womenTrump said:Along with any girl over 27 won't give the male the time of day unless he has money.
The effort, money, and time required by males to get to their desired outcome, when in high school and college all the genetically blessed and good game guys got the results, is almost not worth it. Add that to the fact the girls can be very difficult team players, there are not too many options left.
I agree with that too. There are many reasons for that, even beyond looks. Some men have a social awkwardness about them that stems from their childhood. It may be caused by some negative early experiences with women, their peers, as well as at home. It becomes very difficult to fix later in life, and as women age, they demand MORE confidence and savior-faire from men. So some of these guys fall so far behind with respect to women's expectations that they give up and leave the dating scene.zekko said:Regarding seeing fat ugly bald men with women:
I think that what attracts a particular woman to a particular man can be a very complicated soup indeed, and it may not be able to be easily explained, even with what we know.
Agreed. Rest assured that she doesn't find him ugly. We may never fully understand why women are attracted to certain guys.
I DON'T think it is that hard of a thing to get a girl to date you. However, I DO recognize that for some guys, it becomes a nearly impossible task. For a variety of reasons. For these guys, maybe the effort it takes to succeed really is more than it is worth. Or the journey is so hard and long for them, they lose heart and give up long before they reach some success.
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.