"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Is it worth taking a 6 to the club or will she lower my value?

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I started talking about sex with my friend who is a girl. After a while, she invited my friend and I to go to the club next weekend. Shes like a 6, could I still use her as a wing women? Though shes smart and rich ( her dad recently bought a maserati ), shes not stuck up or anything though. Shes even down to pick me up and drop me off and be the designated driver. Shes got an SUV and said if one of us picks up a woman we could even use her car to get laid haha. Shes trying to get laid too. Ive actually never been to a club before ( Im 20 ) so i really dont know what to expect.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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go have fun
 

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You have never been to a club. Well, here is the chance for you to experience something new.
 

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Dude, no matter how the girl looks, never think like this, never. Looks is unimportant unless she is much less attractive to males than you to females. Look at a persons brain, you will attract much better people this way.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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If all you ever care about is wrapping paper, you will spend your life unwrapping t*rds.

Give zero f*cks what other people think about you. And that is what you are worrying about - what other people think.
 

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The question is, does a woman with a Maserati want to be seen hanging out with a 20 year old man?
 

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Hang with positive people , if she is smart and rich then her true value is around 7-8 wife material.
The best wives are from 6-8. Who knows , maybe you will be getting a luxury car for your birthday on day.

I don't flirt with the 9-10 zone , simple pump and dump ...most girls in that zone are either crazy or self entitled because of these idiots throwing themselves at their beauty.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I might be in the minority on this but I dated a 6 for about 5 months and ALWAYS felt weird with her in public. I was often told I was out of her league. Maybe my trepidation was more so a result of her anti social attitude...
 

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lol wow I wasnt expecting to get this many responses but thanks, everything you guys said makes a lot of sense. But I am not into her or anything, ive known her for like 6 months, since she was in two of my classes last semester and is in one of my classes this semester. I have no attraction for her, were just going to the club, she'll be a wing women, id even be willing to wing for her to get her laid haha. We're definitely going this friday. Ill finally get to see what the club scene is like lol.
 

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Why are you so insecure with how you'll look with her? What are you a 9 or something? C'mon. A 6 isn't even supposed to be ugly. At least she's not a 2
 

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Meisterman said:
Why are you so insecure with how you'll look with her? What are you a 9 or something? C'mon. A 6 isn't even supposed to be ugly. At least she's not a 2
haha, honestly I was being generous when I gave her a 6, shes probably like a 5/6. Shes not ugly though, shes like whatever. Id give myself like an 8.
My scale is pretty weighted though as Im a little picky, to the average person shes probably a really solid 6 - higher if you consider she is smart and fairly rich, she also has fairly large breasts.
Shes also very sexual, she was telling us how she thinks sex isnt a big deal and how theres no difference between a girl that had sex with 100 men and a girl that had sex with 1 guy 100 times.
IMO, she really wants to get laid haha.


Espi said:
You won't control others' reactions. You want to get to a place where your happiness and comfort doesn't involve others' approval.
Thats true. Ive recently realized this and I can say it has made me into a better/happier person.

Thanks everyone for responding.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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bigneil said:
The question is, does a woman with a Maserati want to be seen hanging out with a 20 year old man?
That's exactly the way I looked at it. How is he to rate her "value" on looks alone, it sounds like she has a lot more going on than that...
 

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Also don't forget - you never know the kinds of friends a girl could possibly introduce you to. I have the same kind of friend, she's honestly a 4 or 5 on a good day, but she's a really nice girl with a big heart. Not only did she introduce me to a really good looking friend of hers once (8 in the looks department), she put in a good word for me which was helpful if you know what I mean :)
 

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Ok, so according to the OP she is a 6.

What is the OP's rating?

If he is an 8, it will make him look worse. If he is a 4, it will make him look better. If he is 5-7 then it's normal.
 

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ChemGod said:
Is it worth taking a 6 to the club or will she lower my value? .
Well, it depends. If you are a 4 yourself, she will probably raise your value.
:rolleyes:

Oops, I forgot, everybody on this forum thinks they are 8s or higher. In that case, if you're really an 8, it's not likely that some girl will be able to reduce your value, unless she is a real hosebeast. Then people might wonder what the heck is wrong with you.

I find HB6s to be very doable. That's about as low as I would go, but they are still within acceptable range. Wouldn't be ashamed to be seen with one at all.

EDITED TO SAY: Bigneil beat me to it!
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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