You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
This..Espi said:In my opinion, the first few dates should be cheap, simple and fun. And they should kept under an hour, too. DRINKS only. No dinner. The girl probably feels the same way.
There's no sense in wasting time or money or energy on dinner, only to find out that there's no connection or chemistry.
When I do offer to pay for dinner, I do it because I CHOOSE to. I don't expect an instant fvuck in return. I do it because I want to give freely and enjoy myself. My approach is, I'll buy her something when I WANT to.
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
Exactly, paying/buying for women only works if she was attracted to you enough to fvck you anyway. But even then I'm not sure, because it sort of still lowers your value and at least puts you in the BF material role. But even then why would you want a GF that can't pay her way? Now that women have feminism and affirmative action and took over half the economic opportunities no man should be paying a woman's way.Robert28 said:Yeah, of course you're supposed to take a girl out to a fancy dinner that you met on POF! You definitely should pay for her because afterall, "a nice guy" would do such a thing and we all know how in demand those nice guys are to women! Meanwhile, she went over to some random guys house the night before and sat on his couch and drank cheap mault liquor and watched re-runs on tv with him for hours. They banged a few times and he spent a whole $.99 on her and got the p***y and yet you spent $60 and all you got was a hug and "I had a nice time" and watched her walk away.
Well, then you can understand my confusion over you starting a thread asking, "Is it reasonable to expect sex after paying for a girl's dinner?" On one hand, you're equating dinner with sex and on the other hand, you're saying "Whoa. Hey. I'm not that type of guy."skinnyguy said:Agree with it being unreasonable to buy dinner for a girl you haven't had sex with yet. I think that it kind of depends on the person - if she's a slvt then of course not. But if she's a nice chick (yes, they exist) I wouldn't mind, if i new she wasn't a gold digger. I'm 31 so I'm not just into fvcking. I kind of want to find a serious girlfriend and eventually get married like my friends. What I've found is that if you fvck a girl on the first date she freaks out and is afraid to talk to you afterwards. I'm willing to go on a few fun dates before closing cause I think it leads to a longer term relationship. Call me a phaggot if you want, but I'm getting old and realizing that there's more to life than just fvcking sluts.
OK, I think there is something to the concept that if you move a little slower on a girl, she might see you as LTR and you can build a LTR with her, whereas if you escalated to sex on the first date she will never see it as becoming LTR and may be even as a ONS. Of course a first day lay can turn into a LTR but they usually don't.skinnyguy said:Agree with it being unreasonable to buy dinner for a girl you haven't had sex with yet. I think that it kind of depends on the person - if she's a slvt then of course not. But if she's a nice chick (yes, they exist) I wouldn't mind, if i new she wasn't a gold digger. I'm 31 so I'm not just into fvcking. I kind of want to find a serious girlfriend and eventually get married like my friends. What I've found is that if you fvck a girl on the first date she freaks out and is afraid to talk to you afterwards. I'm willing to go on a few fun dates before closing cause I think it leads to a longer term relationship. Call me a phaggot if you want, but I'm getting old and realizing that there's more to life than just fvcking sluts.
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
adam225 said:These threads are getting silly now... Why the f*ck would you pay for anyone else's dinner let alone a women's ? If she really is interested in you then she will pay her own way (like everyone on this planet). Things like this should be used to test HER - if she expects YOU to pay for ANYTHING then she isn't worth your time let alone your money.
I make it clear from the start that I expect all costs to be split 50/50. If she hasn't got the money then I'd expect her to go to extra effort with something else or pay next time.
All women need to be closely watched carefully from day one to prevent "door mat syndrome".
"skinnyguy" - you need to study the bible and develop your mindset instead of spamming the forum with these pathetic threads.
:crackup: :crackup: Yeah, pretty much.... My life doesn't revolve around chasing women to make me feel "complete" at least. Look at yourself a little closer in the mirror before trying to insult me. You'll find the real problem lies there. My post was more to put you on the path you NEEDED to be on more than anything...skinnyguy said:I'm guessing you are a virgin who has never been in a real relationship before.
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.