You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
This..Espi said:In my opinion, the first few dates should be cheap, simple and fun. And they should kept under an hour, too. DRINKS only. No dinner. The girl probably feels the same way.
There's no sense in wasting time or money or energy on dinner, only to find out that there's no connection or chemistry.
When I do offer to pay for dinner, I do it because I CHOOSE to. I don't expect an instant fvuck in return. I do it because I want to give freely and enjoy myself. My approach is, I'll buy her something when I WANT to.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Exactly, paying/buying for women only works if she was attracted to you enough to fvck you anyway. But even then I'm not sure, because it sort of still lowers your value and at least puts you in the BF material role. But even then why would you want a GF that can't pay her way? Now that women have feminism and affirmative action and took over half the economic opportunities no man should be paying a woman's way.Robert28 said:Yeah, of course you're supposed to take a girl out to a fancy dinner that you met on POF! You definitely should pay for her because afterall, "a nice guy" would do such a thing and we all know how in demand those nice guys are to women! Meanwhile, she went over to some random guys house the night before and sat on his couch and drank cheap mault liquor and watched re-runs on tv with him for hours. They banged a few times and he spent a whole $.99 on her and got the p***y and yet you spent $60 and all you got was a hug and "I had a nice time" and watched her walk away.
Well, then you can understand my confusion over you starting a thread asking, "Is it reasonable to expect sex after paying for a girl's dinner?" On one hand, you're equating dinner with sex and on the other hand, you're saying "Whoa. Hey. I'm not that type of guy."skinnyguy said:Agree with it being unreasonable to buy dinner for a girl you haven't had sex with yet. I think that it kind of depends on the person - if she's a slvt then of course not. But if she's a nice chick (yes, they exist) I wouldn't mind, if i new she wasn't a gold digger. I'm 31 so I'm not just into fvcking. I kind of want to find a serious girlfriend and eventually get married like my friends. What I've found is that if you fvck a girl on the first date she freaks out and is afraid to talk to you afterwards. I'm willing to go on a few fun dates before closing cause I think it leads to a longer term relationship. Call me a phaggot if you want, but I'm getting old and realizing that there's more to life than just fvcking sluts.
OK, I think there is something to the concept that if you move a little slower on a girl, she might see you as LTR and you can build a LTR with her, whereas if you escalated to sex on the first date she will never see it as becoming LTR and may be even as a ONS. Of course a first day lay can turn into a LTR but they usually don't.skinnyguy said:Agree with it being unreasonable to buy dinner for a girl you haven't had sex with yet. I think that it kind of depends on the person - if she's a slvt then of course not. But if she's a nice chick (yes, they exist) I wouldn't mind, if i new she wasn't a gold digger. I'm 31 so I'm not just into fvcking. I kind of want to find a serious girlfriend and eventually get married like my friends. What I've found is that if you fvck a girl on the first date she freaks out and is afraid to talk to you afterwards. I'm willing to go on a few fun dates before closing cause I think it leads to a longer term relationship. Call me a phaggot if you want, but I'm getting old and realizing that there's more to life than just fvcking sluts.
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
adam225 said:These threads are getting silly now... Why the f*ck would you pay for anyone else's dinner let alone a women's ? If she really is interested in you then she will pay her own way (like everyone on this planet). Things like this should be used to test HER - if she expects YOU to pay for ANYTHING then she isn't worth your time let alone your money.
I make it clear from the start that I expect all costs to be split 50/50. If she hasn't got the money then I'd expect her to go to extra effort with something else or pay next time.
All women need to be closely watched carefully from day one to prevent "door mat syndrome".
"skinnyguy" - you need to study the bible and develop your mindset instead of spamming the forum with these pathetic threads.
:crackup: :crackup: Yeah, pretty much.... My life doesn't revolve around chasing women to make me feel "complete" at least. Look at yourself a little closer in the mirror before trying to insult me. You'll find the real problem lies there. My post was more to put you on the path you NEEDED to be on more than anything...skinnyguy said:I'm guessing you are a virgin who has never been in a real relationship before.
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.