"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Is it ever worth messing with chicks who have initial average IL?

Infern0

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say they have IL of 6?

Is it worth it to even mess with that?

Granted it is possible to increase that number, but it's hard work.

Is it not better to just find a girl who has IL of 8 or above, who won't **** test you, flake, etc etc etc

Has anyone on here has sustained, consistant success with girls who were not initially that attracted to you?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Lozboss

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Infern0 said:
say they have IL of 6?

Is it worth it to even mess with that?

Granted it is possible to increase that number, but it's hard work.

Is it not better to just find a girl who has IL of 8 or above, who won't **** test you, flake, etc etc etc

Has anyone on here has sustained, consistant success with girls who were not initially that attracted to you?
On Tinder most girls only have an IL around 6. You have to work to hook them. Some will be hooked- others won't.

It's always worth finding high IL plates but I sometimes feel that practising holding your frame and working on improving IL doesn't hurt you.

I'd agree that it certainly shouldn't be your norm.
 

amazingswayze

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if you are willing to put in the work knowing that it may fall through, yes. if you have the motivation to keep trying, yes. not every girl is going to love you right away. you deem if the girl is worthy. every situation will be different. don't take our word for it, OP!
 

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I'm starting to believe you can change the initial interest level quite a bit if you just met them online and never in person. They don't have much to go on, so if you do it right you can take an average to below average IL to a high IL but in the same way if you do it wrong, you can take a high IL to an average or below average IL just as easily...
 
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