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It depends on why a man chooses to get married in the first place, if it's because he wants a good environment for his children then i don't see that as beta but if he marries her because he thinks he has no other options that is very beta.I think it's alpha not to be afraid to stop being with a woman and that it's beta to give in to marry to maintain the relationship. The question is whether it's worth being in a betaized relationship ...
I agree with this. I think community guys are putting far too much importance on women when they define alpha and beta status by such things. The vast majority of powerful, ruling, wealthy, masterful men in history have been married. They wanted a wife so they got one. Who is going to deny them? That doesn't necessarily mean they were faithful, but that's a discussion for another day.It's neither alpha or beta to be married.
But isn't Rollo married twenty five years? and isn't he the "godfather of redpill"?I don't think it's for Betas, in fact I don't really think it's for any man, what part of Marriage outside of family is for the man?
When he was here, he was always saying that he was alpha.So logically, if we were to believe him, isn't is red pill and alpha to get married?
Haha I was literally just typing one.Awaiting Pan87’s response….
Exactly, I don't think anyone would call Genghis Khan a beta male for getting married.I agree with this. I think community guys are putting far too much importance on women when they define alpha and beta status by such things. The vast majority of powerful, ruling, wealthy, masterful men in history have been married. They wanted a wife so they got one. Who is going to deny them? That doesn't necessarily mean they were faithful, but that's a discussion for another day.
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These are the reasons most men get married. Most men get laid within extended relationships. Most men are fearful about their vagina source going away and facing a sexual drought, bad dates, tough nights out at bars cold approaching, swiping like a maniac, etc.Any activity done to support your life's purpose and goal is red-pilled.
Marriage for the following purposes doesn't seem red-pilled:
Getting laid regularly
Pandering to society
I think there are men who want to have kids and have their future kids raised in a two parents household. With that said, those men often exhibit the other more beta tendencies from above.Marriage for the following purposes might be red pilled:
Raising kids right
I agree that it is neither alpha nor beta. The majority of married men are betas. However, a lot of unattached men are betas as well. A lot of unattached men are begging for scraps of vagina. Long sexual droughts are common from unattached men.It's neither alpha or beta to be married. It is just that appropriate, masculine frame is very difficult to maintain over the course of many years with the same woman. Most men who are married tend to be blue-pilled and don't recognize the signs of failing frame. Many men, myself included, were not red-pilled when we were married.
Accurate.Marriage is for PROVIDERS. Doesn't matter why you do it. One is choosing the provider role if they get married. The provider role consists of a lifetime of manipulation by the female, lackluster sex, infrequent sex, and being cheated on at some point. All while sacrificing resources. Then the lover gets her best sex for free with none of the manipulation. Why be the provider again? Plenty of kids being raised without married parents.
Of course he was. Like many here they will define "alpha" in their own parametiers and funnily enough those paramiters seem to conveniently fit, who they are. Coincidence or not? Alpha nicely defined to fit who you are..When he was here, he was always saying that he was alpha.
yes, it's certainly not viable right now.I think guys here should keep in mind they are viewing marriage through the perspective of our current culture.
Totally. I have a sister married in '87. Wouldn't be surprised if her husband was her first. Oldest sister. Independent, loyal a little sensitive. Quiet family gill/woman. Husband may be seen as a "beta" here. Man is a brother to me. Hard worker, raised two phenomenal boys, manager of the local football team. Leader from what I can see. plenty of friends (both of them) two boys are well raised and they are both very masculine (22 and 18). youngest one is mad as a brush. Two great boys. no pushovers.Marriage, if done correctly, does bring good benefits - and that almost always includes building a family.
Totally my man. This is what' wrong. It's not the institution of marriage. it's people's warped persepctive and behaviorToday's culture, morals, and values are completely up their own @ss. Everything is basically backwards.
What's the PUA view on polygamy? If a man has 20 wives is he still a beta? Is he a beta times 20?Exactly, I don't think anyone would call Genghis Khan a beta male for getting married.
The problem is "beta" is seen as an insult around here. And it could be, depending on how severely you define it. But I've always thought being an upper level beta carries a lot of the benefits of the alpha while evading some of the pitfalls. But I agree with you, I don't buy into the labels too much. They're mostly only useful for teaching certain principles.Totally. I have a sister married in '87. Wouldn't be surprised if her husband was her first. Oldest sister. Independent, loyal a little sensitive. Quiet family gill/woman. Husband may be seen as a "beta" here.