You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Yep. I should know, done it once or twice - you may as well get hunting knife out and slice off your own balls.MedDude said:Topic
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
That's hard as fvck immediately after a breakup. All those emotions swirling around...the pain...You know that takes time. We can sit on the sidelines all day & tell him this, but the dude is going through some heavy stuff if he wants closure.DJDamage said:Breakup is closure there is nothing more to discuss, think of it as "breakup opportunity" where you should be thinking instead of how great it is to be free and single again to chase a whole other slew of asses.
This is a thread all by itself bro. But a typical relationship is never going to have closure because the two people were never friends in the 1st place. So, there is no way they can be friends after.Mauser96 said:Can someone describe "closure" to me?
My take is it is where the two of you sit down, discuss what happened, why you love each other, but it is soooo much better than you simply part ways, move on and be friends.
Now, if that is what you think it is? Don't hold your breath - in real life this rarely happens. What happens is they start to drift apart, for various reasons, and argue more until the final big blowup (or one cheats) , and then they part on bad terms, go into isolation to lick their wounds and reflect on things, then emerge and begin dating others. They hate each other for awhile but in time, may or may not become friends. After a few years, they probably can..
But the scenario where they sit together, cry, hug, talk and part as friends rarely happens.
So, what I am saying, is "closure" is a myth.
Thoughts?
Agreed with everything that said also closure is made up by women to make them feel good when they dump a guy for no good reason (or cheated on him for sh1tty reason) and then when they accept their "friendship" offers they can pat themselves on back on a job well done.Mauser96 said:Now, if that is what you think it is? Don't hold your breath - in real life this rarely happens. What happens is they start to drift apart, for various reasons, and argue more until the final big blowup (or one cheats) , and then they part on bad terms, go into isolation to lick their wounds and reflect on things, then emerge and begin dating others. They hate each other for awhile but in time, may or may not become friends. After a few years, they probably can..
But the scenario where they sit together, cry, hug, talk and part as friends rarely happens.
So, what I am saying, is "closure" is a myth.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
BINGO! Closure allows a woman to review again the reasons she decided to end the relationship, so that hopefully she can always think back to those reasons when she questions whether it was a good choice.Desdinova said:The purpose of closure is to soothe the woman's emotions when she fears she's making the wrong choice.