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Inability to connect/Too self-reliant?

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I've just realized that I've been having a lot of trouble truly connecting with people. I've spent the last year rather secluded socially. I've been so obsessed with creating this persona of who I am--a man with incorruptible honor and strong core values. Lately I've been trying to be as honest with myself and others as possible. In the past two months, I don't think I've told a single lie (besides jokes and stuff) to anyone, even to my parents, who I used to lie to about EVERYTHING. Outwards, I act extremely humble. However, just by observing my own thought process I've noticed I'm truly ****y and arrogant as fwck.

For the past year, I don't think I've truly connected with anyone a single time. You know that feeling you get when you realize you have such a close bond with someone that you guys just know on a deep level that you have shared such a huge part of your life with them? I can hardly remember what that feels like.

It's a bit of a paradox for me. When I sat down and wrote down my life goals, the things I wanted the most out of anything in life, one of my most important life goals was to make the world a better place--to make life better for other people. But when I go out and live my life, especially recently, I had to ask myself, "Do I really like people all that much?" People piss me off. They are a$$holes on the street. They are all attention *****s. They are all selfish. They are annoying. They talk about sh!t I don't care about. So why do I want to help them so much?

I felt like I was just obsessed with this image of what kind of person I am. I wanted to be a person who would take a bullet for a stranger without hesitation. I wanted to be such a strong person that I would take a bullet even for someone who I know and dislike. Almost every day I think about it, wondering if I actually would do that if the situation happened. This summer, I've volunteered once a week to help out with some thing for underpriviledged kids. Every single time, I ask myself whether I truly give a sh!t about those kids, or if I'm just doing it to promote that image of that superhero I want to be. It seems like the latter is true.

Lately I've been detached as fwck from everybody I know. Every social interaction, I've noticed that I'm more focused on finding out how I could benefit from "having good relations" with that person than just vibing and having a good time.

If someone asked me to name my best friends right now, I would have a hard time after naming two. Now, I've determined that there are three people in the entire world that I trust on the deepest level to do the right thing. I, myself, am one of them. The other two are the two guys who I would consider are the two best friends I have. My parents are FAR from making that list anytime soon. Now these two friends--I live half an hour away from them and only see them once a month. I've known one since I was about 13 and the other since I was about 15 or 16. I'm pretty sure they have a much closer bond with each other than I do with either of them. They went to the same high school. I HIGHLY DOUBT they would consider me a "best friend". I would guess maybe top 5, but definitely not #1 and #2 closest people like they are to me.

All my life friends have come and gone. In kindergarten to 3rd grade, I had one best friend. I had no other friends. I was the only person at his birthday party. Then, my parents found out he had "only" average grades and told me not to associate with him. I ditched him and became friends with another asian kid who was really smart. See, my entire childhood my dad always stressed that you should always have friendships that benefit you in some way. Other than that, friends are a waste of time and are "just to talk", as he would say. So 4th and 5th grade, this asian kid was my best friend. I had no other friends.

Middle school started in 6th grade. I met another REALLY nerdy white kid who I became pretty good friends with. (I was considered smart and got really good grades, up to about junior year in high school) Pretty much ditched the asian kid. Talked to the nerdy kid all the time in 6th and 7th grade. Then in 8th grade I found out how much of a nerd he was and how uncool it was to be talking to him, so I ditched him. Then I became friends with another kid who wasn't a genius or anythig but was in all the smart classes with me. I talked to him all the time at school because he was the only person I could talk to about all the perverted sh1t going on in my mind.

Then was freshman year of high school. I decided the kid from 8th grade was too perverted, so I started avoiding him completely. He tried to talk to me a few times but I just acted real cold and blew him off. We hardly ever talked again. I sat at lunch with that asian kid from elementary school every day because I had no one else to sit with. Halfway through the year, the popular kids invited me to sit at their table because they liked me for some reason so I did and ditched the asian kid.

That summer, I started hanging out with a couple guys. One was a REALLY social person who really helped me get out of my shell. The other few were the beginnings of the main friend group I had in high school. We played video games a few times together. Sophomore year started. For a while, it was me and three other guys playing video games every weekend. The really social guy stopped hanging out with me because I was a social dead-end to him (we basically went on man dates every time we hung out).

Near the end of sophomore year, for the first time I had a female friend. I started talking to her because she had a crush on one of the guys in my little group. She brought a few girls to the group, and we started hanging out ALL the time. We had some fwcking great times, and it was the happiest summer of my life because I had friends for the first time.

For the next couple years, our group kind of shapeshifted here and there, but the core remained the same. I was actually one of the leaders of the group who always decided what we did and lead the scene socially. When I got my license, I made SURE to be as good of a friend as I could by always driving people as much as I could without ever asking for gas money.

I think after a while I became a bit of a sh!tty friend who got ****y and tyrannical. I started ripping on people a little bit TOO much, and people got sick of my leadership and decision-making. When other people made decisions or assumed leadership, I wouldn't like it. I wouldn't say anything, but I would just not have a good time.

So, about a year ago I was pretty much uprooted from my main group. It happened kind of gradually. I started enjoying our hangouts less and less. They started talking more and more about sh!t I didn't care about. I would start denying hang outs in favor of just chilling at home by myself. I think the final blow was when I set up a few couples for homecoming, and they found it insulting or something because they felt it was like me saying they couldn't get a date on their own.

So the past year I've lived without a group of friends. I've hung out a few times with my two best friends who live half an hour away and their group of friends, and it's been fun, but every time I'm there I know I'm not really a part of their group.

My life though, really kind of reverted back to how it was freshman year--spending the weekend nights alone at home playing computer games. All the time, I was telling myself I didn't need my friends, and telling myself how strong and independent of a man I was.

Nowadays, I just find it hard to relate about people and truly care about them. Honestly, losing my friends a year ago was kind of painful. There was a period of about a month were almost no one ever texted me. The only texts I got were score alerts from espn, and I had to cancel those because my heart just sank when every time I heard my phone ring I thought it was a text. They would upload pictures of them doing sh!t and having fun on facebook without me, and it would remind me of all the fwcking good times we had. Even though I didn't really like them anymore and didn't hae fun with them anymore, there was no denying the great times that we DID have. Maybe this has been my mind's way of coping--naturally detaching myself from other people and not letting me "like" them.

My whole family is socially disfunctional. My parents have literally no friends. No one they knew from before ever calls or visits. My dad has buddies that he plays tennis with, but there is no friendship there at all. Anytime one of my friends did a favor for me and I told my parents about it, they would marvel at how unusual it was for someone to do something for someone else. My younger sister is cool as hell, yet she struggles to make friends. She has a group that she's associated with at school, but she tells me how they just bore her to death and she doesn't want to be with them. She spends her weekends alone at home watching anime. I know she's not a freak or anything. I know for a fact that people like her, yet she doesn't really seem to have friends.

EDIT: This is deeper than just plain social skills. I know how to talk to people. I am EXTREMELY confident talking to strangers. I don't complain or run my mouth or bore people to death about mundane details of my own life. People who know me tell me they love me because I am chill as fwck and don't give a fwck about anything. I just know that lately, if people were to describe me, I'm pretty sure no one would say that I'm an extremely fun person or that they have a very close bond with me.
 

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Judging by the length of your post I think you're bothered more than you're letting on. Your image of yourself is created in your own head yet you seem to relate it alot to other people and how you compare to them. The less you actually connect to other people, the more you will look down on them and the less you will be able to navigate the world. We are social animals and need that interaction to get a good sense of self. Alone...well...we are our own worst critic and constant bad reviews don't do us any good.
 

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You talk about this person you see in your mind but what are you doing on a daily basis to become that person?

There is no such thing as being too self reliant.

“Work out your own salvation. Do not depend on others.”


Your story actually doesn't sound too different from mine. I was always good looking, always had friends in high school, pretty smart, kept a girlfriend at all times, sometimes more than one.

when I decided I wanted to do something with my life other than watch porn and chase women all day, and when I really decided knew what I wanted to do, I knew it would cause for some self sacrifices to be made, mainly my social life. From the time i was 18 until about a week after my 21'st birthday I had no social life whatsoever other than going to bowl with my two friends every other friday night. That was it. That and going to the gym and taking computers to fedex, was about the extent of my social life.

Adn at the time it sucked, becuase well, my friends were getting laid, my freidns were having fun, they were in a frat, they were kicking it, I wasn't. I wanted to have fun. It's funny if I am being real, a quesiton I get asked quite foten is "when did you know you had made it".. in reality man, I remember when i turned 21, I took a friday off, went clothes shopping, i had lost weight so I was getting attention again from the opposite sex for the first time in 3 years, I went bowling with my friends as I always did, then we went out and shoot pool and drank and I went by blockbuster and rented a movie, and drove home to my 2 day old apartment and I could not have been happier than I was at that moment in my life. I was a ****ing, normal person lmao. People take normal things like going to the movies, going out to eat and **** like that for granted.

I say all that to say, in that time I became extremely self reliant. The best thing I ever did for me was to cut myself off for 3 years. If I wanted to go to the movies, I didn't have to wait for anyone to call me anymore I just got my **** and went. If I wanted to go out and go shoot pool I didn't have to go with anyone I just went and had a good time rather I was alone or not.

My eyes were opened to how the world works in those 3 years. The reality is, the avg person only caries about you until you can't do something for them anymore. For a while i could not do anything for anyone, and it's funny how people, family members even, closes ones like fathers, lose your phone number and can't pick up the phone when you don't' have anything to give them or when they don't think you are living up to their expectations of what they want you to be.

There is a difference between self reliant and what you seem to be. The difference between you and I, and this is not good or bad it just is, is lol, I don't give a ****. It's like you WANT to connect with people. I really for the most part, don't lol. I mean I'm not an ******* or anything but most people are a waste of time. They want you around as long as you can do something for them but when you do too much for them they get pissy and angry and jealous. Those same 2 friends who took me everywhere, when i became someone and tried to show them the love got so jealous they both tried to **** my fiancee at the time and this was after i let one of them live with me rent free and basically bought the other a new wardrobe, out of nothing but love, don't' give it back, this is just for you being there, that's how you repay me.


What you are realizing is two things, firt, that people really do, suck for the most part. Secondly that the best way you can give back is to be the best you that you can be. The best way you can help poor people out is to not be one of them lol. Make something of yourself.

I've been in AA (i have issues too, which I won't get into in this thread but I have talked about at length on this forum) and i've had sponsors tell me just how anti social I am and spend months trying to work with me on it.. I came to the realization that, it's you has the problem with me being anti social, I'm perfectly fine with who I am. And truth be told, I'm not anti social, I'm a quite well adjusted 27 year old man who is extremely picky who he hangs out with and opens up to becuase of previous experiences.

I've said it here and got somewhat ripped for it but friendships are overrated. Half of the bull**** I read on this forum is becuase of **** "friends" have done. With friends like that you don't need enemies. A ture friend first has to be of the same mind and same status as you are and going in the same direction in life, that is what I realized first and foremost. or else you would end up like i was, with two grown men holding you back while you are trying to make something of yourself but you are trying to "keep it real" and keep them around. What the hell do I have in common with a guy who jacks off all day and sales cd's at best buy? not a damn thing.

I mean I'm engaged, I love my fiancee dearly, but if she was not here, i don't see the huge need to "connect" with anyone. I have what I feel is a sole purpose in life which I won't get into, I have my hobbies, things that interest me, ME, not anyone else, that I muse myself with, but this need to "connect with someone".. i just don't' have it. I mean there is nothing wrong with it, don't' mistake what I am saying but it's not a NEED.


I think your main problem is what you want to do, and what you are actually doing are two different things. When I get real analytical this is usually why.. subconsciously i'm getting on myself becuase I am not following the path I set out to do. And usually I get off the path, listening to 'friends and people who care' telling me to dos hit like take a break, slow down and go have fun. If you can't tell, it's not that i don't care about people, that would not be accurate, but i don't' give a **** about people's opinions or the approval of people or connecting with them.

Those 3 years, changed my life. I can't go back. it's like Evie in V for Vendetta after she gets the hair shaved and feels the rain, she just isn't the same anymore. That's who those 3 years was for me. you see some uglyness in people, how people really feel when you can't do **** for them.. you can't take that back. I learned to be self reliant because I knew no one else understood what i was doing and if i wanted to be happy i would have to do so by my own standards not anyone elses.

Anyway best of luck with you man
 

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OP, let me ask you this. Are you not happy with your current situation or are you just trying to be like everyone else?

If you're happy with your current situation then don't look down on yourself because you are not doing what everybody else is doing. If you are not happy (which I sense you aren't) then go ahead and get some friends, start going out or whatever you think will make you happy.

My life is very similar to yours. My parents moved around a lot so I never got to develop long lasting friendships. Now i'm in my late 20's and that's too old to develop close friendships/best friends type of friendship which are developed when you're younger. I realize that the people i hang out with now don't really give a damn about me they only care that I'm cool to hang out with and that's how I feel about them.

I've done the whole clubs, strip clubs and downtown on the weekends. If you asked me if I rather stay at home and work on my projects, or go out I would rather stay at home. My life doesn't revolve in just working everyday in my job then going out and getting drunk on the weekends and repeat every week. My life is more than.

The only times I look forward to going out is when I'm going out with a woman or going sargin. Maybe I'm too old minded for my age some might say while others might say I'm an entrepreneur and workaholic. All I would say is that I do whatever makes me happy and if I feel like doing something different to be happy I would do it. That's how you should feel about this. Do what makes you happy.
 

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Am I happy? Well I can honestly say that for the most part, I've been happy for the past year. Sure, there were times when I felt a bit lonely and felt a little bit of need to fit in, but I would definitely say that that need is below average in me.

I haven't doubted myself at all and have been completely satisfied being my own man. The only reason why I started thinking about this so much is because two nights ago, the night before I made this thread, I was at a co-ed sleepover. This sleepover was at my best friend's house, with all his close friends from his school. I had hung out with these people a few times, and it had always been fun. I like these people a lot more than my old group at my school.

At around 2 am, everyone was rather drunk and someone decided to have us start playing a game where we all sat in a circle, and everyone would say something nice about a certain person. Then everyone would say something nice about the next person, and so on until everyone had been complimented by everyone.

At first, there were funny jokes and stories going around, but it got more and more serious. Instead of just giving people compliments, everyone started talking about their entire relationships together and how much it meant to them. Everyone there was really close friends with everyone. People had been close friends since middle school and earlier. Everyone started ending their statements with "i love you" or "i love you bro" and they meant it. Every girl was sobbing their eyes out.

At one point, a guy was talking about his gf (also there), who he had just broken up with recently because of college. Now, this guy has never shown an AFC trait as long as I've known him--every time I hang out with him and his gf, he's always flirting with and kinoing other girls right in front of her. Another time she went on a trip and someone asked him if he was worried about her hooking up with someone, and he said "no because i'm not a pwssy". They had been together for 2 years. This guy is never serious, but what he said that night was moving. He talked about how he never usually gets sad about anything, but when he and his gf had the talk about college it was one of the only times in his life where we started crying and crying and just couldn't stop. He went on and talked a little about how meaningful his relationship and friendship was with her, and every single girl was crying their heart out. I was teary eyed.

Now, I can honestly say that what I felt after this experience wasn't jealousy that other people were having these bonds and I wasn't. I didn't resent it at all. It just made me think about myself--I thought detaching myself from others made me strong.

But what if isolating myself is actually a sign of weakness-an inability to risk my heart into developing relationships that may cause pain if the bonds are hurt in some way? Is it a bigger sign of strength if I am willing to risk suffering emotionally in order to give relationships a chance to develop?

I don't talk about problems or deep feelings with friends because it makes me feel like I am bringing baggage into the relationship, dragging my problems onto someone else. Maybe I'm also afraid it will push them away.

If everybody I know was suddenly cut out of my life, I wouldn't have a problem with it. In fact, I simulated it on a smaller level--at the beginning of this summer, I deleted my facebook and almost eliminated all contact with most people that I talked to in high school. I was fine with it. I was happy focusing on myself. I do have a feeling of relief knowing that no one I know from my high school is going to the same college as me. It's like I'm ashamed of how dependent on others I was before, and this insatiable desire to make myself a self-sustaining man.

A couple months ago I b!tched on here about my dad not paying my rent. I'm the complete opposite right now. I feel this need to fend for myself--I'm buying my own silverware and stuff like that. I know I could easily get my dad to buy it for me so I don't have to spend my own money, but I feel this need to be independent.

I just find that my general disdain for other people is paradoxical. Last week I went to the beach with some friends, and we ended up talking and meeting a whole other group of people. As people were meeting each other and introducing themselves, every time I met a guy I would think "he seems like a pwssy" and every time I met a girl I would think "she seems like an attention hor". It turns out they were all pretty cool people, but my first reaction tells me something about my subconscious.

The paradox is that my biggest life goal is to help others and make their lives better. Why would I care so much about that when I naturally have a disdain for others? Maybe improving the lives of others could mean only those who I am close to and like--yet here I am talking about my lack of close relationships. I constantly question myself if my ultimate motive is selfish or selfless. Do I really care about helping others? Or do I just want to think of myself as a selfless person?

Help the mindless masses by not being one of them--when I consider that philosophy, I find that the selfless intention is too questionable. Yet I've thought about helping the world by doing my best to advance the evolutionary chain that relies on strong eating weak--playing my part as a tiny little cog in the machine of nature. Since I am an athlete, I had to think about competition a lot and how I am helping others by competing to the best of my ability, and I concluded that competition is the foundation of nature and evolution, and by competing I am contributing to the forces of nature.

Also note that I'm not focused on helping others due to some religious bullsh!t of trying to please God or get in to heaven or any sh!t like that. I find those motives EXTREMELY selfish and superficial--the whole idea of creating a facade of helping others in order to help yourself is very questionable in my mind.

I know I can like or love someone while having very little desire in spending time with them or connecting with them. There are people that I like a lot, yet who annoy me a lot socially so that I don't want to be around them. Batman sacrificed his life to benefit people--people who he doesn't and can't connect with.

What am I doing on a daily basis to become that person? Right now, it's basically all about money. The idea is that I want to become financially independent as early as possible so that I have enough to live and do what I want and use some to help others. I'm training my a$$ off in my sport, which is mostly about money right now. I need to protect my athletic scholarship since it was only promised for my freshman year, play well for the coach who believed in me enough to give me the opportunity so that he can feed his family, and I do have that tiny dream of going pro--even though I am by no means counting on it or expecting it. I've been losing weight to get quicker. All summer, I've been living in a constant state of hunger, as well as a constant state of weight loss. My family buys all sorts of junk food and treats and leaves them around the house so I'm usually tempted constantly.

Money wise--I've worked all summer for myself, pretty much my own business. I've been saving like crazy. I can count on one hand the number of times I've went out and spent money on food in the last six months, yet I've been out with people to restaurants at least 30 times. I've cut out almost all pleasure/entertainment expenditures. I've went to the movies only one time in the last year, and it was on a free pass.

I plan to continue this extreme saving in college. I've been learning how to cook. I plan on asking my roommates if we can make an agreement where they buy ingredients and I cook for everyone. I really wanted to open a Roth IRA, but it seemed many people advised me to pay off my student loans before I start investing in any way. I plan on drinking very rarely--maybe once a month. I plan on studying my a$$ off, taking 18 credit hours a semester to really get a jump on getting my credits. I took advanced placement classes in high school and got enough college credit to be considered a sophomore at my university. I've thought about the possibility of graduating in two years by taking the max number of credit hours and doing summer school.

EDIT: All I'm saying there is that I'm willing to make the sacrifices for my ultimate goal, yet sometimes I'm at a loss for whether my true intentions are selfish or selfless.
 

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I basically have the same problem. In my case, I think people think I have nothing to offer them. If I think of something, I will try to remember to post it in this thread.
 

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sageproduct said:
At around 2 am, everyone was rather drunk...Instead of just giving people compliments, everyone started talking about their entire relationships together and how much it meant to them. Everyone there was really close friends with everyone.

It was the booze.
 

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Bible_Belt said:
It was the booze.
I believe otherwise. I actually had only about one or two drinks the entire night, and I could feel the emotions running through the air. I mean, no amount of booze is gonna change the fact that some of these people had been close friends since middle school and earlier.
 
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