zekko said:
You know, let me just add this:
One thing I absolutely fvcking HATE about the PUA community (and probably the main reason I will never be able to fully take it seriously) is the way they push sociopathy as a way of life and idolize psycopaths. Psycopaths have no regard for other people or their feelings - they will slash your throat and only feel remorse if it affects their freedom somehow.
I am far from a perfect being, in fact I'm a pretty selfish bastard when it gets right down to it. But I know the world doesn't begin and end with me. I'm not naive, and I think you have to do for yourself and get what you want, because no one else is going to give it to you. But it doesn't hurt to have a little regard for the people around you and treat them with some respect. At the very LEAST, you could do that for the people who are closest to you, your friends, family, and even your lover/partner, if you have one.
If everyone bought into this philosophy of being sociopaths and treated everyone accordingly, what a crappy place this world would be. And considering that this is increasingly where modern thinking is taking us, it's just getting crappier.
Peace out.
Why don't you calm down and spare me your PUA-hate since it's really an old song now, Zekko? Nobody is trying to idolize sociopaths, you completely got it wrong even after all these years because as I said earlier, you refuse (categorically) to understand them because of your convictions (I suspect).
Let's set the stage here ... Firstly, the discussion of what constitutes cheating has to be the starting point. As someone else pointed out below, it depends on what two adults can agree/decide on and therefore it is an extremely relative notion. Pretending that there can be universal definitions of "cheating" in relationships is not just silly, but fundamentalist, and wrong.
What I like about the PUA/MRA community is that they stand up for what they want, rather than accept monogamy as a god-given , ironclad rule. They are WILLING to challenge that statement as a given, they want multiple partners as a discussion item in their list, as opposed to living in a sexually and emotionally taxing life under "honorable, ethical" pretenses.
This is NOT soliciting cheating / stealing / or deliberately hurting other people. Refusing to understand what it is that a man can possibly want from a relationship agreement and reducing the argument to anti-social behavior is a straw man method of arguing against them.
PUA community is not idealizing sociopaths, it is proposing an alternative way for the man, where the man can "have it all" as well as the woman, IF the man defines "having it all" as having sex with a number of women, possibly at the same time, refusing to readily buy into established cultural norms, or feminist conventions such as monogamy.
They are revolutionaries, and no matter how much you hate them, they have made an enormous impact.
