I'm not a beta, but still too much of a nice guy

[mr. kennedy]

I'm the complete opposite of clingy, I'm selfish with my time, I have a backbone, I never tolerate flaking and I next the girl after one strike.

Yet, I'm still considered a nice guy by most. I'm trying to evolve into more of a bad boy persona but I still get high interest levels from women that want to get married and not enough from women that just want to have fun.

I find it really hard to attract the latter.

 

[TheCWord]

Being a nice guy's great.

Girls are attracted to nice guys. They are not attracted to pus*ies. A lot of guys come on here complaining they're a nice guy who doesn't get any action, but they're wrong - they act "nice" and expect the world to give them something in return. Those aren't nice guys, they're pus*ies.

By your description, you're a nice guy. Again, women LOVE nice guys. You know who they don't love? Guys who try to be someone they're not.

Forget about this "bad boy" persona if it's not who you are. If you just want to have fun, you can still date those women who want to get married. Just be upfront that you don't want anything serious.

By the way, I write this as someone who mostly attracts women that just want to have fun and not women who want to get married. Don't know how that affects my advice. Haha.

 

[VladPatton]

There's a fine line between being a bad boy and being an all out aṣṣhole. A very fine line. So be what your natural persona entails, don't try to be something you're not. It'll exhaust you mentally. Be nice until you reach limits, then you can push back.

All in all, it really isn't worth being a douche, a scumbag, or abusive. We have enough of those tools. The grass isn't greener on their side. Don't believe the hype that those social rejects get laid more than the average Joe.

There are other things you can do with your days other than to add another ounce of misery to the world. Be chill for most of the time, be a real hard ass when needed.

 

[Masculinity]

I think the way we have "Nice Guy" conceptualized in this forum is not the same "Nice Guy" to which women refer. It is a grey area, but if you really want to know what it means, you should ask the person who calls you a nice guy. I asked a few people and what they thought was a nice guy was what we would call an alpha in this forum. I think semantics are playing a role in your issue.

 

[mr. kennedy]

I've realized that your haircut determines initially how a woman will perceive you. Men with fauxhawks or spiky hair tend to be seen as bad boys more than men with a conservative haircut.

 

[TheCWord]

I've realized that your haircut determines initially how a woman will perceive you. Men with fauxhawks or spiky hair tend to be seen as bad boys more than men with a conservative haircut.

I can already tell by this reply that you're one of those guys who is going to be too stubborn to be pushed off his self-defeating perceptions.

In this thread you've been told by different posters to, essentially, just do you. To forget this whole idea of becoming a bad boy or buying into the notion that there is a template to be followed and that you should be following that template.

Then you go ahead and lament that guys with certain haircuts get to have the bad boy image you, for some reason, want so badly.

It's like you're not even listening. Are you coming here for help or just to dig yourself a deeper ditch? Go read The Book Of Pook and come back to us with an open mind.

And cut your hair however the damn hell you want.

 

[marmel75]

I'm the complete opposite of clingy, I'm selfish with my time, I have a backbone, I never tolerate flaking and I next the girl after one strike.

Yet, I'm still considered a nice guy by most. I'm trying to evolve into more of a bad boy persona but I still get high interest levels from women that want to get married and not enough from women that just want to have fun.

I find it really hard to attract the latter.

There is nothing wrong with being that type of nice. That's considered a good guy. The nice guy that's too afraid to open his mouth and stand up for himself is the type of guy women won't respect

 

[mr. kennedy]

Go read The Book Of Pook and come back to us with an open mind.

It's on my to do list.

 

[Rainman4707]

I think the way we have "Nice Guy" conceptualized in this forum is not the same "Nice Guy" to which women refer. It is a grey area, but if you really want to know what it means, you should ask the person who calls you a nice guy. I asked a few people and what they thought was a nice guy was what we would call an alpha in this forum. I think semantics are playing a role in your issue.

I was in my local bar end of 2013 talking about my girl with a few men & one of them said :-

Hardass man :- You're to nice

Rainman :- hmm I don't think I am. I might come across that way, but it tricks some people & leads them into a false sense of security

Hardass man :- No, I've see how you go on. You do everything right.

What he meant was that I was a good guy. A lot of people say that about me. Nice lad. I had similar feeling to OP in my thread "Mr Nice Guy"