"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
I'm fairly certain I'm stepping into the Ultimate Sh*t Test tomorrow night.
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Yuma
Don Juan
Hahahahaha amazing.zekko said:I already gave my opinion on this, but I'm actually kind of disappointed you're not going. I would have loved to have gotten a field report on how this went lol. Or been a fly on the wall or something.
It would almost be fun to go there and totally self amuse. Like eat six onions before you go and pass horrid gas through the whole mealOr bring her flowers and a card and read poetry to her, anything weird.
This is how I foresee it going - she's going to call me later and ask if I'm still coming, I'm going to say no and tell her that a girl I know wanted to go see the movie and that I'm doing that instead, and then she'll do one of two things:
1. act subtlely offended, like most girls probably would, and maybe try to schedule something else.
2. act like nothing is wrong at all and then not contact me for a while.
Either way, the ball is still in my court for the next shot.
I would definitely FLAKE, and by flake I mean stand her up with no warning and no explanation. With any luck both the other dudes will stand her up too.. now that would be funny.
Except that we all know that those guys will show up, will kiss her ass all night (though not literally, they'll get no action) and will probably fight over the bill to look like some big man provider. She'll be happy with her huge inflated ego and will either go off to find some random guy to fvck or go back home to her vibrator. That's my guess on how her night'll go. The only unsure thing is how will the OP standing her up affect her? Will she even care? Only time will tell.Zarky said:
GreatHornedOwl
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That's going nowhere...
Don't listen to these guys telling you to flake without warning. Text her back "No... I don't do dinner with other guys."
Never let a woman put you in a situation you're uncomfortable with.
Take this as a learning experience.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
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jophil28
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Any woman who tries to pull that knows exactly what the guys want , and in the process, she gets to feel powerfiul and in control of three chumps.
This whole scenario sounds like some delusional crAp promoted by one of those by "You Go Girl" magazines.
Actually the way for you to win this game and F this froggie princess is NOT to play.
Let her wonder where you are and who you are with while she plays ego games with those other fools.
If he calls her back and tells her he's not going, it's too late. Looks like he sat around like a dork and talked about it with his pals and came to conclusion it was a bad move.
If he lies and tells her he's going out with another chick, she'll know he's lying and that will make him look like a tool.
The only way to do it is not show up.
Atom Smasher
Master Don Juan
Flaking could make her speculate that you didn't have the guts to show up and are at home playing video games, so I recommend taking the bull by the horns and saying, "Sorry, I just looked at my scheduler and I see I mistakenly double-booked. I already had promised to take a young lady to [whatever]. Have a great time!"
"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dddAi8FF3F4
wait_out
Master Don Juan
Don't expect to win any points out of this but it's gratifying to see her get all passive-aggressive in public after being sidelined. I wouldn't search out these situations deliberately though -- its more fun to spend your time connecting with fun happy people than trying to outwit bad ones.
BTW, you don't owe her an explanation if you're not interested. She has a brain, let her use it.
That may work some of the times, other times the guys will try to freeze you or undermine you especially if they are trying to tag some ass and they see you as AMOG. After all you are there to pick up girls not guys so if you aren't interested in the girl anymore then at this point you should plan about making your exit.wait_out said:
The good thing about this situation is that the OP learned ahead of time of the scheme and may choose not to be a part of it.
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
Naughty Ninja
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Furyguy
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Or maybe she was just trying to be polite. Or maybe you are just already friendzoned, along with the other two chumps.
Anyways, this already transpired by now, right? Any updates?
Don't go simple as that. Guys on here keep forgetting a simple yet golden rule of seduction which is "in order to seduce you have to isolate!"Kal0051 said:
It's a simple rule really. You shouldn't agree to "hangout" with any woman and other people unless she is your girlfriend already. This includes her friends, male friends, female friends, family, going to parties etc etc. What is "hanging out?" When there is one more person involved besides her which no longer qualifies it as a date between you too.
It is one of the simplest of rules to follow yet guys are so stupid they forget about it. They end up hanging out with the target and her friends making it even more difficult to isolate and seduce the target. Not only that but you are allowing yourself to be included to her circle of friends which is the opposite of what you want her to see you as. You want her to see you as a lover not a friend. You are basically friend-zoning yourself.
I don't think I need to say much about going to hang out with her and 2 other males. This is the most stupid thing any man would do. This is what guys do on dating shows when competing for a woman. You are supposed to put yourself in situations of advantage rather than the opposite.
In fact many women will invite you to hang out with their circle of friends to friend-zone you. They will flake on your attempts to go out on a date and counter with hanging out with friends. They are trying to friendzone you without you even knowing it.
Follow the rule. All your interactions with your target should be on a 1 on 1 basis. You can hang out and meet her friends if you guys become official but for now your main goal is to isolate and seduce.
This also goes for YOU INVITING HER TO HANG OUT WITH YOUR FRIENDS. Another stupid mistake done mostly by guys who are afraid of pushing the envelope and asking the girl on a date. No wonder you can't get a girlfriend you invite them out to hangout with friends rather than taking her on a date where you 2 can be alone and you can work your seduction game.
he already went, here's his updateblueline said:
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=174604
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.