Giovanni Casanova
Master Don Juan
- Joined
- Jan 5, 2002
- Messages
- 5,550
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- Age
- 44
- Location
- Hiding in Penkitten's Linen Closet
I am going to say this one more time and then as far as I'm concerned, I'm done.
What the man in the stall did, if h2o's assessment was accurate, was disturbing. Nothing I have to say negates that.
However, I am disturbed by the notion that some think a man should be applauded for telling someone he's going to kill them and then punching and kneeing him in the face as they lie on the ground, curled up into a ball, their hands covering their face, pleading that they not be hurt, when that person poses no physical threat.
This is not an instance of a guy defending himself. He left and came back. Leaving and then returning to assault someone is not motivated by fear, it's motivated by anger. Did h2o have a reason to be angry? Sure, he felt violated. I can respect that. Does that anger give him the right to assault someone? No.
As for wanting to make sure this didn't happen to others... there were other ways of ensuring that. It seems apparent that h2o had at least some notion when he returned to the bathroom that the guy would still be there... otherwise, why would he have returned? That being the case, it wouldn't have been overly difficult for him to have gotten one of the campus rent-a-cops to catch the guy "red-handed", so to speak. That would have been MUCH more effective and h2o would have been blame-free. I think h2o didn't do that because he was so angry he wasn't thinking straight. Is that understandable? Absolutely. Is that an excuse for what he did? No, if it were, that would excuse an awful lot of crimes that get committed.
Looking at the situation objectively, both h2o and Bathroom Man did f*cked up things. If Bathroom Man logged onto this site and posted a thread called, "I Exposed Myself While Wanking Off in a Public Bathroom", I'd read him the riot act, too. I don't believe what what h2o did excuses what Bathroom Man did, and I don't believe that what Bathroom Man did excuses h2o's actions. Both acted badly.
And beyond h2o's actions, a message needs to go out to everyone here: sosuave.net will not be a Penthouse Forum for guys who want to talk about and commend each other for engaging in criminal activity. What h2o did was a crime, and I happen to believe based on recent private conversations with him that he would do things differently if given the chance. Look at the consequences he might face for acting in an impulsive, uncontrolled manner. They are significant and frightening, although I think h2o's prospects of getting through this relatively unscathed are pretty decent, particularly because he has realized the error of his actions.
Bottom line: if people think that a crime is worth committing, they'd better be sure that it is worth the consequences of their actions as well. "The homo was looking at me and touching himself in the bathroom so after I thought about it for a while, I stormed back in and I told him I was going to kill him and I punched him and knocked him on the floor and kneed him in the face as he screamed and cried out for mercy..." would probably not play too well for a jury, unless his lawyer miraculously was able to get an all-sosuave jury.
What the man in the stall did, if h2o's assessment was accurate, was disturbing. Nothing I have to say negates that.
However, I am disturbed by the notion that some think a man should be applauded for telling someone he's going to kill them and then punching and kneeing him in the face as they lie on the ground, curled up into a ball, their hands covering their face, pleading that they not be hurt, when that person poses no physical threat.
This is not an instance of a guy defending himself. He left and came back. Leaving and then returning to assault someone is not motivated by fear, it's motivated by anger. Did h2o have a reason to be angry? Sure, he felt violated. I can respect that. Does that anger give him the right to assault someone? No.
As for wanting to make sure this didn't happen to others... there were other ways of ensuring that. It seems apparent that h2o had at least some notion when he returned to the bathroom that the guy would still be there... otherwise, why would he have returned? That being the case, it wouldn't have been overly difficult for him to have gotten one of the campus rent-a-cops to catch the guy "red-handed", so to speak. That would have been MUCH more effective and h2o would have been blame-free. I think h2o didn't do that because he was so angry he wasn't thinking straight. Is that understandable? Absolutely. Is that an excuse for what he did? No, if it were, that would excuse an awful lot of crimes that get committed.
Looking at the situation objectively, both h2o and Bathroom Man did f*cked up things. If Bathroom Man logged onto this site and posted a thread called, "I Exposed Myself While Wanking Off in a Public Bathroom", I'd read him the riot act, too. I don't believe what what h2o did excuses what Bathroom Man did, and I don't believe that what Bathroom Man did excuses h2o's actions. Both acted badly.
And beyond h2o's actions, a message needs to go out to everyone here: sosuave.net will not be a Penthouse Forum for guys who want to talk about and commend each other for engaging in criminal activity. What h2o did was a crime, and I happen to believe based on recent private conversations with him that he would do things differently if given the chance. Look at the consequences he might face for acting in an impulsive, uncontrolled manner. They are significant and frightening, although I think h2o's prospects of getting through this relatively unscathed are pretty decent, particularly because he has realized the error of his actions.
Bottom line: if people think that a crime is worth committing, they'd better be sure that it is worth the consequences of their actions as well. "The homo was looking at me and touching himself in the bathroom so after I thought about it for a while, I stormed back in and I told him I was going to kill him and I punched him and knocked him on the floor and kneed him in the face as he screamed and cried out for mercy..." would probably not play too well for a jury, unless his lawyer miraculously was able to get an all-sosuave jury.
