"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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I'm a loser..approach journal

blackbelt2k

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So i thought i had it down with the ladies, turn out i didn't. I now see, more than ever, that i need practice to get better with my approaches. Please leave some insight and helpful hints..

7/17/07
#1 (don't know if this really counts as approach)
I'm leaving work, and going to the elevator. I see a HB6 i've seen around the company. She's already getting into the elevator, so i follow, and squeeze in before the doors close...

Me: Dang, trying to kill me..(smile, make eye contact)
HB: laughs...sorry... Hey, I've seen you around, I'm blha blah,
Me: hey blah, I'm bb2k, puts out hand to shake hers.(tries to keep it gentle and last a little longer than avg.)
So we talk about ****, as we walk out the building, we get to the corner
HB: so i'm going this way blah blah
Me: ohh, me too, I'll walk with you, unless your trying to get rid of me
HB: laughs, no, blah blha
so we walk a couple blocks, and I try to keep the convo going, asking her where she lives, what she does for fun.. So we arrive to the stop i thought she was going to turn, so i shake her hand and tell her good bye, and turn for my block..I notice she's going the same way
Me: Still following me huh (smile keep eye contact)
Her: blha blah
pause in convo as we manuver through crowd
Then she picks up back the convo
I'm approach my s top so i tell her i'll catch her later

Not the best approach, I don't even know if it counts since she technically started by introducing herself. I think i came off a little afc; i also think i did more qualifing than made her qualify... I need to keep practicing, leave me some good suggestions guys
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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It seems you did ok. You introduced yourself and actually made small talk which is more than most of the so called DJ's can do on this forum. Just keep practicing and try to number close once you get comfortable approaching.
 

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Sounds like she was wanting you to #close. If you don't do it when they're expecting it you end up in the friend zone, but good job for approaching.

You did good with the jokes and role reversal. Sounds like you might be a little too hard on yourself or overanalyzing. It's good to keep the interaction short like you did, you just got to #close!

blackbelt2k said:
So i thought i had it down with the ladies, turn out i didn't. I now see, more than ever, that i need practice to get better with my approaches. Please leave some insight and helpful hints..

7/17/07
#1 (don't know if this really counts as approach)
I'm leaving work, and going to the elevator. I see a HB6 i've seen around the company. She's already getting into the elevator, so i follow, and squeeze in before the doors close...

Me: Dang, trying to kill me..(smile, make eye contact)
HB: laughs...sorry... Hey, I've seen you around, I'm blha blah,
Me: hey blah, I'm bb2k, puts out hand to shake hers.(tries to keep it gentle and last a little longer than avg.)
So we talk about ****, as we walk out the building, we get to the corner
HB: so i'm going this way blah blah
Me: ohh, me too, I'll walk with you, unless your trying to get rid of me
HB: laughs, no, blah blha
so we walk a couple blocks, and I try to keep the convo going, asking her where she lives, what she does for fun.. So we arrive to the stop i thought she was going to turn, so i shake her hand and tell her good bye, and turn for my block..I notice she's going the same way
Me: Still following me huh (smile keep eye contact)
Her: blha blah
pause in convo as we manuver through crowd
Then she picks up back the convo
I'm approach my s top so i tell her i'll catch her later

Not the best approach, I don't even know if it counts since she technically started by introducing herself. I think i came off a little afc; i also think i did more qualifing than made her qualify... I need to keep practicing, leave me some good suggestions guys
 

blackbelt2k

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I wanted to # close, but at sometime during the convo, she said the bars she goes to are 25 and up for the gents cause its more upscale.. I think this was a shyt test in a way, but not too sure.. but i replied, something along the lines of "I can wing my way in, just tell them, I'VE GOT MONEY!" ... which got a laugh... she wasn't giving much kino though, i touched her a few times, but she never really initiated any touching... just for future reference, does this mean a no go?
 

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First thing that caught me is your thread title, why are you calling yourself a loser? you're defeating yourself before you even start. I hope you don't have this mindset when approuching.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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blackbelt2k

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Analytic said:
First thing that caught me is your thread title, why are you calling yourself a loser? you're defeating yourself before you even start. I hope you don't have this mindset when approuching.
lol, no, i typed it jokingly..simply pointing out the face that i sucked at the approach, lol
 

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Seemed good to me. I may have left off the where do you live part because you never know how a woman might interpret that. I might have saved that for later.

You do have those women that go... This guy just met me, and we talked for like 2min and he asked where I lived.

We all know women are messed up, so leaving the where do you live part out, may be better next time.

And not that it screwed anything up, you just never know with a woman.

You.. .Where do you live?
Her... In New York. (ha ha)

Then she does this gossip crap with her friends.... I wonder if he wanted my address? He could have just asked for the number.

What ever, girls are whacked :)
 

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If she isn't reacting badly to the kino just keep moving forward. Read her actions, but don't waste time trying to read her mind. I expect most woman aren't going to initiate much of anything.

As far as where they live, I usually ask "What part of town are you from?" so I can get an idea of how far away they live without making them nervous.

blackbelt2k said:
I wanted to # close, but at sometime during the convo, she said the bars she goes to are 25 and up for the gents cause its more upscale.. I think this was a shyt test in a way, but not too sure.. but i replied, something along the lines of "I can wing my way in, just tell them, I'VE GOT MONEY!" ... which got a laugh... she wasn't giving much kino though, i touched her a few times, but she never really initiated any touching... just for future reference, does this mean a no go?
 

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tell us some backgrond about yourself ...are you good looking ...how much experience etc
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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