"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I read all the DJ Bibles and I put them to use...Still no progress of getting laid. :(
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Do you ever have any dates?

Do you have any female friends?

Do you ever talk to women?

Let us know where exactly you are right now.

Infact I dont think your even asking anything? It looks like a statement.
 

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Hit on every girl you see for the rest of your life, get a good career, go the gym, dress well, and keep reading the bibles over and over again till you know them by heart. Just knowing all the principles won't help, you need to apply them. If all else fails, get a hooker. At least this way you'll have less performance anxiety.
 

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Sir Psycho Sexy said:
Do you ever have any dates?

Do you have any female friends?

Do you ever talk to women?

Let us know where exactly you are right now.

Infact I dont think your even asking anything? It looks like a statement.

1. Never
2. No...
2. Whenever I get the chance, yeah.

Hakuna said:
Hit on every girl you see for the rest of your life, get a good career, go the gym, dress well, and keep reading the bibles over and over again till you know them by heart. Just knowing all the principles won't help, you need to apply them. If all else fails, get a hooker. At least this way you'll have less performance anxiety.

Alright, I'll work on that, but I'm never gonna have sex with a hooker. Sex shouldn't cost a thing.
 

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SeymourCake said:
1. Never
2. No...
2. Whenever I get the chance, yeah.




Alright, I'll work on that, but I'm never gonna have sex with a hooker. Sex shouldn't cost a thing.
3 comes after 2 bro. My bad, this really just adds insult to injury.

You need to apply yourself. You always have chances of talking to women. Take 'em. Get off your ass! There's gonna be rejection, no matter what. Make sure you're not causing the rejections to happen.

Sex with a hooker is not something I support. You're running the risk of the hooker being an undercover cop. And then you get "laid" in jail. Ooh, getting laid in jail... Ugh! Scary thought! :eek:

You're 20, try going after women twice your age. I do.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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40 year old women? lol c'mon now. And the two 2s was a typo.
 

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Shoot, I agree with Nismo somewhat on the twice you age thing. I'm targetting a 30 year old married chick.

I love it. She's mature and knows what she wants. Easy booty. Hahaha.
 

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First there's nothing wrong in being virgin at your age,you're not a lower man or an inferior one.
Second not every man succeed in the same way,if you're not the guy able to operate in bars and night clubs try other places that work better for you.

Many guys here suggest you to go to clubs but i disagree with them,if i was you i would hit the gym and improve my body and self-confidence mostly.
Than just find an environment where you feel good,it's impossibile to get a girl in a club if you feel nervous only by going there,and it doesnt matter how good your game is if the girl find you ugly and dont even give you a chance.

So take in account who you are,strenght and weakness.
Btw just know this,the older you get the easier it become.
 

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SeymourCake said:
I read all the DJ Bibles and I put them to use...Still no progress of getting laid. :(
try and give some info on your interactions/attempts so we can deconstruct what you are doing wrong and right
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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kingsam said:
try and give some info on your interactions/attempts so we can deconstruct what you are doing wrong and right

I walk around with my chest up, shoulders relax, eyes brows low, low eyes, with a smirk on my smile. I walk with style, but I don't over exaggerate it.

I tend to give eye contact with women who walk by, but they look away like they have no interest. There was this one encounter where I was eye-ing this girl down, and she had this look on her face like "wow, why is he lookin' at me? creep"

When I'm sitting down, I'm in a relaxed position.

I SUCK at initiating conversations and putting longevity in them because I tend to listen more than I speak.

I don't think I have a confidence issue. I look in the mirror everyday just acting conceited and telling myself I look hot, but it does go down a bit when I'm in the public and I see my reflection.
 

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I don't have any kind of advice to give you because I'm in a deeper hole than yours and anything I tell you has no basis in reality. All I can wish you is the best of luck in your goals and hope they become true soon.
 

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Thanks a lot man. I appreciate that.
 

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Still no progress.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Chill dude, it's only been a few days since you made this thread. Stop worrying about "progress". I'm 5 years older than you, a virgin too, and I've stopped caring about "progressing". Sure, I've had dates, make-outs, and *******s, so maybe I have more experience than you but stop worrying so much.
 

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SeymourCake said:
I walk around with my chest up, shoulders relax, eyes brows low, low eyes, with a smirk on my smile. I walk with style, but I don't over exaggerate it. (...)
MAN listen to yourself! All your effort is going into walking, standing and looking! I tell you what, the position of your eye brows is NEVER something you should worry about! It screams of insecurity and you'll probably look like a goof.

You're doing everything you can that is PASSIVE. Which means YES YOU DO have a confidence issue! You say yourself that you stand around and wait for girls to come to you "if I get the chance"!
The only way to attain confidence is to GO AFTER WHAT YOU WANT! Look at some of the motivational threads in the High School forum, these are gold.

Also, how do you figure you can get laid by ogling girls on the street? It will only happen if you're dead lucky. How about you forget about your shoulders and eyebrows for a moment and just be a cool dude that makes friends with people?

You should first try to "meet" girls before you want to instantly "seduce" them, especially on the street. Because you can't. Go step by step. Also, this will help you.
 

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I thought chest up, shoulders relaxed were a sign of a confident alpha male. A lot of the DJ Bibles are contradicting. Thanks for that link though. To sum it up, all I need is a life.
 

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SeymourCake said:
I thought chest up, shoulders relaxed were a sign of a confident alpha male. A lot of the DJ Bibles are contradicting. Thanks for that link though. To sum it up, all I need is a life.
Dude, are you thrusting your pelvis back and forth when you walk? Don't do it. That is just way too sexual. Just a smooth, cool, confident strut.
 

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SeymourCake said:
I thought chest up, shoulders relaxed were a sign of a confident alpha male. A lot of the DJ Bibles are contradicting. Thanks for that link though. To sum it up, all I need is a life.
They are, but your priorities are wrong. Improving your looks is only a tiny part of the puzzle, and you're not doing any of the rest. You'll be stuck with one piece forever.

You're good-looking enough, now stop. And redirect your efforts to take action. And get used to taking action. I know it is a hard call and the first couple of steps will take a load of courage.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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