"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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So it's confirmed. Going from ~40% bf to ~15% makes you look much better.

As a side note god damn she is pale. Last pic reminds me of the character from the movie Powder.
 

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It's true, though. Even 10 pounds makes a HUGE difference in my success, especially with Asian women.
 

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We have some people in the community who will swear blind that game is the be all and end all but they are quite frankly talking out of their ass.

Yes, game helps but it only is part of attracting a woman.

Most women will forgive poor game if the guy is very attractive and in great shape, those same women are unlikely to go home with a fat ass who has great game.

Ideally you want both, but I can tell from experience when I'm in great shape doors open for me, even when i was still afc, all i had to do was go where girls were like clubs or parties and they would basically invite themselves home with me. And yeah I'd end up messing it up pretty soon because I'd do AFC stuff, but point is it made getting in the door a LOT easier

When I was fat, no amount of game really helped me.

Tinder tests have pretty much proved this, a guy on bb.com put pics of a fitness model up and had this hb9 pretty much begging to get smashed and he was purposely acting AFC and said he had autism and no friends and she was still keen.

Looks matter, we live in a superficial world, maximise your looks.
 
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I kid you not when I tell you that a even a small difference of 12 lbs--that is going from 200 lbs at 17% bf to 192 lbs. at 10-11%--makes a head-turning difference.

Yes, body fat percentage matters.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Here's how it goes on average approaches (I've been all 3 states)

Fat- girls look revolted at you, act annoyed that you approached, have to game incredibly well to have a small <5% success rate

Skinny/average- girls act not that fussed, maybe slightly bored, you need pretty good game to get <15% success rate

Ripped/muscular(not to roids level)- girls approach you, are enthusiastic, laugh at your **** jokes and ask what you are doing after this. >50% success rate
 

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Here's how it goes on average approaches (I've been all 3 states)

Fat- girls look revolted at you, act annoyed that you approached, have to game incredibly well to have a small <5% success rate

Skinny/average- girls act not that fussed, maybe slightly bored, you need pretty good game to get <15% success rate

Ripped/muscular(not to roids level)- girls approach you, are enthusiastic, laugh at your **** jokes and ask what you are doing after this. >50% success rate
This is reality... When you are fat a lot of times you are "invisible", and like they are saying every 10 lbs makes a noticeable difference.
 

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This is reality... When you are fat a lot of times you are "invisible", and like they are saying every 10 lbs makes a noticeable difference.
Its common sense, men are more visual than women but not by that much.

Is some fat whale comes up to us, even if she's got the best personality in the world we probably just aren't going to be interested.

I think the only people who refute that being in shape makes a difference at lazy guys with 11" arms
 

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Look at Chris Pratt. He went from funny loveable fatty on parks and rec. drops 40 lbs, gets shredded, new clothes/haircut. Now he's an A-list leading man. Best part is he retained the smart ass funny/quippy attitude. Definition of a DJ if you ask me
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Look at Chris Pratt. He went from funny loveable fatty on parks and rec. drops 40 lbs, gets shredded, new clothes/haircut. Now he's an A-list leading man. Best part is he retained the smart ass funny/quippy attitude. Definition of a DJ if you ask me
Just look at it from the raw meat aspect, hot is hot. It will rise their temperature if its what they need to see. Now you just have to control what you say and do.
 

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She is definitely hot. I like the pale skin.
 

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Here's how it goes on average approaches (I've been all 3 states)

Fat- girls look revolted at you, act annoyed that you approached, have to game incredibly well to have a small <5% success rate

Skinny/average- girls act not that fussed, maybe slightly bored, you need pretty good game to get <15% success rate

Ripped/muscular(not to roids level)- girls approach you, are enthusiastic, laugh at your **** jokes and ask what you are doing after this. >50% success rate
The "eye candy" size for these females is somewhere between an NBA Pointguard and a NFL defensive back, similar musculature. It's the same size male strippers use, because it is a popular size regarded as eye candy by the ladies.
 

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What about thin ugly girls/guys?

Attraction is 80% from the chin up and that's why Michael Phelps coudn't get a date despite having the body of a greek god. Just type "Michael Phelps is ugly" in Google for further perspective.

If you're not handsome then getting a nice body will only improve your results marginally (no more than 5%). This is why anytime you go into a nightclub you see buff guys standing around in a circle jerk with each other while the women go home with average rich guys like me after I do the magic wallet maneuver
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While they spent hours in the gym everyday and then went home to spank their monkeys I was amassing 3 million dollars. Start your own business and once you've made your first million dollars you can be like me and date playboy models.
 

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What about thin ugly girls/guys?

Attraction is 80% from the chin up and that's why Michael Phelps coudn't get a date despite having the body of a greek god. Just type "Michael Phelps is ugly" in Google for further perspective.

If you're not handsome then getting a nice body will only improve your results marginally (no more than 5%). This is why anytime you go into a nightclub you see buff guys standing around in a circle jerk with each other while the women go home with average rich guys like me after I do the magic wallet maneuver
.

While they spent hours in the gym everyday and then went home to spank their monkeys I was amassing 3 million dollars. Start your own business and once you've made your first million dollars you can be like me and date playboy models.
Well I don't have an ugly face, so I can't relate to Phelps problems (he's also not that built, lean yes, but in a shirt he doesn't look impressive) I spend 45 minutes in the gym 4-5 times a week and I don't stand in a circle jerk or go home and spank the monkey.

Congrats on the 3 million dollars though, gives you a nice excuse to be lazy and fat
 
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"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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What about thin ugly girls/guys?

Attraction is 80% from the chin up and that's why Michael Phelps coudn't get a date despite having the body of a greek god. Just type "Michael Phelps is ugly" in Google for further perspective.

If you're not handsome then getting a nice body will only improve your results marginally (no more than 5%). This is why anytime you go into a nightclub you see buff guys standing around in a circle jerk with each other while the women go home with average rich guys like me after I do the magic wallet maneuver
.

While they spent hours in the gym everyday and then went home to spank their monkeys I was amassing 3 million dollars. Start your own business and once you've made your first million dollars you can be like me and date playboy models.
There are a lot of male butterfaces who do well with the ladies. These are guys with average or below face but stunning body and strong game.

It's dangerous to just have the money and not the body, because you really do want them physically attracted as well as attracted to your motivation for making money.
 

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There are a lot of male butterfaces who do well with the ladies. These are guys with average or below face but stunning body and strong game.

It's dangerous to just have the money and not the body, because you really do want them physically attracted as well as attracted to your motivation for making money.
Waving cash might be alright for getting narcissistic gold digger types in, and as long as you pump and dump them, all good.

LTR or god forbid marry one though and o guarentee she's getting dp'd by Tyrone and Jamal on the side while Poindexter is showering her with gifts and $$$
 

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Waving cash might be alright for getting narcissistic gold digger types in, and as long as you pump and dump them, all good.

LTR or god forbid marry one though and o guarentee she's getting dp'd by Tyrone and Jamal on the side while Poindexter is showering her with gifts and $$$
If you don't fill her physical attraction side, she almost most likely will be looking at ones who do trigger that in her. And eventually she will setup a system where you get maintenance sex to no sex and she gets her physical side filled from Tyrone. DP is no guarantee, but if that's her thing she will.
 

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If you don't fill her physical attraction side, she almost most likely will be looking at ones who do trigger that in her. And eventually she will setup a system where you get maintenance sex to no sex and she gets her physical side filled from Tyrone. DP is no guarantee, but if that's her thing she will.
yeah that's exactly what i'm saying.

Tyrone and Jamal were just for dramatic effect.
 

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yeah that's exactly what i'm saying.

Tyrone and Jamal were just for dramatic effect.
I think we nailed this particular portion of attraction. Physical attraction is HUGE, HUGE HUGE, it can not be ignored! Think about women you cant stand but your still super attracted to them because of their bodies? Women have it the same way...
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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