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[Divorced w 3]

Selling products/services to business or consumers is different than selling yourself to women.

Plenty of blue pill ideology, beta males are competent sales reps, either with a business-to-business (B2B) product/service or a business-to-consumer (B2C) product/service. These are often married men in mediocre relationships but there are competent sales reps who are divorced single dads or single males with a girlfriend on account of a deep social circle in the local area. Most sales reps could not put up a notch count of 30+ lifetime.

Some of the success of sales reps is determined by the competency of the corporate marketing department that supports them as well.



Successful seduction and successful selling of a widget to a business manager have some different principles.

I don’t think blue pill guys make good salesman. They may be ok but you have to be edgy, non conforming, by nature to be good in sales. You have to do what someone else won’t, more often than not simply emotionally and intellectually.

 

[Divorced w 3]

OK however from what I've observed they DO share similarities as well.

Two being level of attractiveness and likeability.

Interesting article attached. It reads in part that one's attractiveness plays a huge role in how successful they would be in sales. And the ability to foster a feeling a trust and likeability.

Are these not the same principles used in successful seduction?

Is the salesperson not in a sense "seducing" the customer regardless of the product?

If true which imo it is at least on some level, if @BPH is successful at seduction, I would think
applying some of those same principles would also make him successful in sales.

From the article:

One of those 6 weapons is likeability – a quality broken down by social scientists into 5 factors:

1. Regular contact and cooperation – we like those with whom we have regular contact and with whom we co-operate

2. Association – we like those we associate with positive things (a great holiday, a fun day out)

3. Similarity – we like people who are similar to us (upbringing, philosophy, interests)

4. Compliments – we like people who pay us compliments (even if the compliments are untrue!)

5. And, of course….. Attractiveness – we like those people we find attractive.

Something to consider @BPH don't underestimate yourself! You could be making six figures!

The entite article is worth a read anyway.

DO LOOKS MATTER IN SALES?

Are attractive people more likely to be successful in sales? We all know the politically correct answer is 'No' but what does the evidence show? I’ve thought about this point many times before and have even included modules on it within training sessions I’ve run over the years. It came back to the

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I’m in sales. Ask me anything

 

[BPH]

Something to consider @BPH don't underestimate yourself! You could be making six figures!

Look, I have confidence in myself to the point where it borders on ****iness. I think a significant contributor to that confidence is understanding my strengths and weaknesses.

I am not saying this because I don't believe in myself; I'm saying this because I have a track record of failing in this area:

• I could not sell free money to businesses with ERC - Post-pandemic, I became a referral partner for a company that specialized in getting businesses money from the IRS if they paid their employees wages during the government shutdowns. I would go door-to-door for hours in my nearby shopping centers, I would cold call businesses from a database list, and I would run mass email campaigns to business owners. Most businesses were skeptical about the prospect of free money, and once they believed me, they would shop elsewhere for a service that was doing what I was promoting, for cheaper. I only managed to get 2 very small businesses to go through the program before the IRS shut the whole thing down due to too many bad actors in the space taking advantage of businesses.
• I could not sell my ad agency to mortgage lenders - Having worked at a lender before moving back in with my parents, I thought I would have enough of an understanding of the business to sell this service to them. The prospects I would get on calls with had doubts about me being able to deliver on the service, given the market, and didn't want to pay until after a client closed and funds were disbursed (usually a 3-month sale cycle). I had 2 guys go through free trials and get no results because they were insistent on marketing refinance products only (in a market with a very high interest rate), and the one client I did close, I changed the model to accommodate (pay-per-close). He never did close either - I got him around 1 lead per day, he would attempt contact once, then never again.
• I could not sell my SAAS tool to mortgage lenders - I took the above model, thought maybe the price was too high, and decided to switch to a cheaper done-with-you rather than a done-for-you business model. I quickly realized the price wasn't necessarily the objection; it was that I was dealing with customers who wanted to only pay for results (which I couldn't promise, because I'm not the one calling and selling to the leads), wanted everything done for them, and wanted to pay as little as possible - a sentiment that extended to their ad budgets, which somehow surprised them when they weren't getting any leads at $10/day. I had one guy verbally agree, drag his feet for 2 months at my own expense, keeping everything running, waiting for him to get on board, then decided to close it down when he started asking about pausing and resuming, depending on the busy season.
• I could not sell my lawn service to pretty much anyone - Before I shut down that business, I had something like 80 leads and only 3 closes. 2 of those closes were on the lowest-tier plan, and the 3rd wasn't even on a full plan (he wanted a spray plan for weeds, and only for a few months). People appreciated talking to me, but weren't willing to pay monthly for a service like this. Everybody wanted to pay per cut, at the lowest possible price, and expected it to be cut every week at that price. It cost me a lot of money to acquire and service 3 customers on the cheapest plans.

However, I'm seeing some success with selling the dating coaching, because of the point I made here:

I think that's why dating coaching has so far been my favorite foray. I haven't made much money with it yet, but I enjoy teaching it, am very good at it, and am helping others overcome problems that I've solved for myself.

I believe the disconnect has been a lack of product-founder fit, as opposed to product-market fit.

Did you read the article I linked?

I did. It's a 5-year-old article written about sales, written by a sales coach who doesn't want to give an objective yes or no answer. He doesn't provide any actual statistics of his belief, and cites Cialdini's findings throughout history as evidence of looks overcoming qualifications (though none specifically).

It's basically an article about what the author THINKS, and how he ultimately describes that people do business with people they like, and that all other things being equal, he ASSUMES they will like somebody more attractive.

I can tell you from personal experience that good looks aren't ALWAYS a privilege. I've had girls I've matched with think that my profile was fake. I've had girls tell me that they were intimidated by me - just the other day at the gym, I had a friend tell me a girl there was asking about me...I'd hit on her about 2 months ago (not the one from the thread), she agreed to grab drinks, and never responded to my texts, but was always happy to see me and would say hi at the gym now...she was asking my friend if I was a good guy 2 whole months later when she wouldn't even respond for a date. She assumes I'm an a**hole and wants assurance that I'm not, a conclusion she's drawn only from me approaching her and asking her out.

Just look at my promo thread and see how many forum members discredited me because I'm good-looking NOW.

I am a straight, good-looking, white male in 2025. I would argue that puts me at a disadvantage in some areas because people make the assumption that I am the most privileged.

 

[Divorced w 3]

Yeah, a lot of Meta Sales Principles would be considered blue pill methods in the dating world. The only things I see relatable in sales is Product, Territory, and Timing, but these are more long game dating strategies while OP's is short term reel em in fast.

I have no doubt whatsoever that the fact, that I have a 99.9% chance of having the highest testosterone in a room, is a huge reason I am good in sales. I’m sitting here right now working from my home computer, unshaven, in boxers, just had sex, gave her 5 orgasms, blew a huge load, and have a $70,000 commission check coming end of month net of all withholding.

 

[Sega Genesis]

I’m in sales. Ask me anything

Ok! What's your opinion on the below posted earlier? Particularly bolded? True? Not true?

Interesting article attached. It reads in part that one's attractiveness plays a huge role in how successful they would be in sales. And the ability to foster a feeling a trust and likeability.

Are these not the same principles used in successful seduction?

Is the salesperson not in a sense "seducing" the customer regardless of the product?

 

[Travel memoir21]

Are there any movies or male characters you suggest us guys watch and take notes? Say James Bond or some slick @ss character with scenes we can watch off Youtube, do you have any suggestions?

 

[Sega Genesis]

I have no doubt whatsoever that the fact, that I have a 99.9% chance of having the highest testosterone in a room, is a huge reason I am good in sales. I’m sitting here right now working from my home computer, unshaven, in boxers, just had sex, gave her 5 orgasms, blew a huge load, and have a $70,000 commission check coming end of month net of all withholding.

5? Wow that IS impressive!

 

[BPH]

Are there any movies or male characters you suggest us guys watch and take notes? Say James Bond or some slick @ss character with scenes we can watch off Youtube, do you have any suggestions?

No, because those characters are written with a fantasy in mind.

Just look at how often Adam Sandler writes himself as being married to Salma Hayek, or Kate Beckinsale, or having to decide between Brooklyn Decker and Jennifer Aniston.

It's not real.

 

[Divorced w 3]

Ok! What's your opinion on the below posted earlier? Particularly bolded? True? Not true?

100% correct. When you're selling, first and foremost you are breaking down barriers, because so many other salespeople have come beforehand and left such a bad taste in the clients mouth. That's entirely analogous to the male / female seductive experience, where so many men have said and done such ridiculously sympie / outrageous stuff that the woman has built barriers. Once you earn a client's 'warm and fuzzies' you move into the problem solving stage, within the scope of the personality that dropped those barriers. Interchangeable to seduction is not losing your sense of personality. You need to be different so you act different - be c0cky funny (to an extent), intelligently, convey that you have wit and have a good sense of judgement and can think quickly on your feet; all things that in sales and in seduction convey high status, intelligence, and confidence. Once that is earned, and kept, either the client or the seducee, will pretty much allow you to do whatever you want, with broad, but not limitless, scope. Sorry, that it took me a second, I just did $3,500 in new business.

 

[Divorced w 3]

5? Wow that IS impressive!

Deadlift day

 

[Divorced w 3]

Look, I have confidence in myself to the point where it borders on ****iness. I think a significant contributor to that confidence is understanding my strengths and weaknesses.

I am not saying this because I don't believe in myself; I'm saying this because I have a track record of failing in this area:

• I could not sell free money to businesses with ERC - Post-pandemic, I became a referral partner for a company that specialized in getting businesses money from the IRS if they paid their employees wages during the government shutdowns. I would go door-to-door for hours in my nearby shopping centers, I would cold call businesses from a database list, and I would run mass email campaigns to business owners. Most businesses were skeptical about the prospect of free money, and once they believed me, they would shop elsewhere for a service that was doing what I was promoting, for cheaper. I only managed to get 2 very small businesses to go through the program before the IRS shut the whole thing down due to too many bad actors in the space taking advantage of businesses.
• I could not sell my ad agency to mortgage lenders - Having worked at a lender before moving back in with my parents, I thought I would have enough of an understanding of the business to sell this service to them. The prospects I would get on calls with had doubts about me being able to deliver on the service, given the market, and didn't want to pay until after a client closed and funds were disbursed (usually a 3-month sale cycle). I had 2 guys go through free trials and get no results because they were insistent on marketing refinance products only (in a market with a very high interest rate), and the one client I did close, I changed the model to accommodate (pay-per-close). He never did close either - I got him around 1 lead per day, he would attempt contact once, then never again.
• I could not sell my SAAS tool to mortgage lenders - I took the above model, thought maybe the price was too high, and decided to switch to a cheaper done-with-you rather than a done-for-you business model. I quickly realized the price wasn't necessarily the objection; it was that I was dealing with customers who wanted to only pay for results (which I couldn't promise, because I'm not the one calling and selling to the leads), wanted everything done for them, and wanted to pay as little as possible - a sentiment that extended to their ad budgets, which somehow surprised them when they weren't getting any leads at $10/day. I had one guy verbally agree, drag his feet for 2 months at my own expense, keeping everything running, waiting for him to get on board, then decided to close it down when he started asking about pausing and resuming, depending on the busy season.
• I could not sell my lawn service to pretty much anyone - Before I shut down that business, I had something like 80 leads and only 3 closes. 2 of those closes were on the lowest-tier plan, and the 3rd wasn't even on a full plan (he wanted a spray plan for weeds, and only for a few months). People appreciated talking to me, but weren't willing to pay monthly for a service like this. Everybody wanted to pay per cut, at the lowest possible price, and expected it to be cut every week at that price. It cost me a lot of money to acquire and service 3 customers on the cheapest plans.

However, I'm seeing some success with selling the dating coaching, because of the point I made here:


I believe the disconnect has been a lack of product-founder fit, as opposed to product-market fit.



I did. It's a 5-year-old article written about sales, written by a sales coach who doesn't want to give an objective yes or no answer. He doesn't provide any actual statistics of his belief, and cites Cialdini's findings throughout history as evidence of looks overcoming qualifications (though none specifically).

It's basically an article about what the author THINKS, and how he ultimately describes that people do business with people they like, and that all other things being equal, he ASSUMES they will like somebody more attractive.

I can tell you from personal experience that good looks aren't ALWAYS a privilege. I've had girls I've matched with think that my profile was fake. I've had girls tell me that they were intimidated by me - just the other day at the gym, I had a friend tell me a girl there was asking about me...I'd hit on her about 2 months ago (not the one from the thread), she agreed to grab drinks, and never responded to my texts, but was always happy to see me and would say hi at the gym now...she was asking my friend if I was a good guy 2 whole months later when she wouldn't even respond for a date. She assumes I'm an a**hole and wants assurance that I'm not, a conclusion she's drawn only from me approaching her and asking her out.

Just look at my promo thread and see how many forum members discredited me because I'm good-looking NOW.

I am a straight, good-looking, white male in 2025. I would argue that puts me at a disadvantage in some areas because people make the assumption that I am the most privileged.

Work for a super reputable, well known company. Try selling a proven product, learn the environment in which you're operating inside and out, and then when you're really comfortable and find yourself constantly identifying issues with your employer's process, maybe you go out and start your own business.

 

[CornbreadFed]

@BPH, unless you are a blind hype beast kool aid drinker, I wouldn't do sales. The fact that you are actually giving thought to anything tells me that you aren't one of them. If you need the money, do it, but have an exit plan. When the economy is great, sales is great, but during times like this there is no strategy because most sales departments are fueled and ran by the blind hype beast mentality.

 

[BPH]

@BPH, unless you are a blind hype beast kool aid drinker, I wouldn't do sales. The fact that you are actually giving thought to anything tells me that you aren't one of them. If you need the money, do it, but have an exit plan. When the economy is great, sales is great, but during times like this there is no strategy because most sales departments are fueled and ran by the blind hype beast mentality.

The only sales I plan to do are those for my own business.

 

[CornbreadFed]

The only sales I plan to do are those for my own business.

Exactly, there's good youtube videos on outreach/discovery calls. It's really not that hard once you get the jist of it and know the product you are selling.

 

[SW15]

Work for a super reputable, well known company. Try selling a proven product

A lot of sales reps fail because they are working for an inferior company with an inferior product/service. Additionally, they are not well supported by a marketing department.

 

[CornbreadFed]

A lot of sales reps fail because they are working for an inferior company with an inferior product/service. Additionally, they are not well supported by a marketing department.

Being at a reputable company doesn’t solve everything. You can be put in a crappy territory that’s over-saturated or heavy competition. Chances are, the bad territories will be open lol.

 

[Divorced w 3]

Being at a reputable company doesn’t solve everything. You can be put in a crappy territory that’s over-saturated or heavy competition. Chances are, the bad territories will be open lol.

Every loser has a reason why they couldn’t make it work.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Every loser has a reason why they couldn’t make it work.

Just hustle and grind bro

 

[Divorced w 3]

Just hustle and grind bro

Your tears are a great night cap

 

[Divorced w 3]

@BPH, unless you are a blind hype beast kool aid drinker, I wouldn't do sales. The fact that you are actually giving thought to anything tells me that you aren't one of them. If you need the money, do it, but have an exit plan. When the economy is great, sales is great, but during times like this there is no strategy because most sales departments are fueled and ran by the blind hype beast mentality.

So, what do you do? This should be good.