Uncharted
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This whole experience made me feel WAYYY better about any other time I've gotten LJBF'd.
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
I just LJBF a chick and holy sh1t
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"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
LongLostFriend
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"I don't understand. She's serving it to you on a plate. Why not hit it a time or two? You could walk away any time."
No, he couldn't walk away at any time. "Crazy/stalker" trumps "hot and DTF" every time. Not worth the collateral damage.
No, he couldn't walk away at any time. "Crazy/stalker" trumps "hot and DTF" every time. Not worth the collateral damage.
5string
Master Don Juan
Not saying you are wrong but, I could walk away and not answer the phone.LongLostFriend said:
35 year old woman at work, single parent, many giys in between. recently rekindled and interst from when she was 18, he asked her out now he is divorced, blew her out again...it cant stop playing on her mind....after all these years. they fvcking hate it!
Pure gold.
A few months ago I decided on a second date that this girl might not be all that interested or I was possibly being used for AW purposes, which annoyed me, but I was genuinely fine with actually being friends with her. She has others. On the way to taking her home she was already miffed that I pretty much called her on her ****, then I suggested that we "just be friends" and it was pretty clear she was pissed. LOL
Priceless. Chicks friend zone guys constantly and when guys don't like it they get called all manner of things from "shallow" to "presumptuous" and often incurr the "no one owes you sex, you male pig" lecture...just for not liking it happening. If any if them actually wanted to be friends they wouldn't act like they were slapped when guys do it.
Girls are so funny. Someone said it about another topic here recently: Methinks the lady doth project too much.
I'm going to have to start doing this more.
A few months ago I decided on a second date that this girl might not be all that interested or I was possibly being used for AW purposes, which annoyed me, but I was genuinely fine with actually being friends with her. She has others. On the way to taking her home she was already miffed that I pretty much called her on her ****, then I suggested that we "just be friends" and it was pretty clear she was pissed. LOL
Priceless. Chicks friend zone guys constantly and when guys don't like it they get called all manner of things from "shallow" to "presumptuous" and often incurr the "no one owes you sex, you male pig" lecture...just for not liking it happening. If any if them actually wanted to be friends they wouldn't act like they were slapped when guys do it.
Girls are so funny. Someone said it about another topic here recently: Methinks the lady doth project too much.
I'm going to have to start doing this more.
"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
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I too have used this. Girls are too used to in this day and age in getting what they want. There pedastal is storeys high - just look when they upload a facebook photo and you have guys and girls in they hundreds telling them how great they look etc.
When girls don't get what they want, they TRY harder. I've got a question though, would you do this in the same situation if you were INTERESTED in the HB and things seemed to actually be working out? Or just keep up with your game; flirting, teasing, compliments here and there and kino?
When girls don't get what they want, they TRY harder. I've got a question though, would you do this in the same situation if you were INTERESTED in the HB and things seemed to actually be working out? Or just keep up with your game; flirting, teasing, compliments here and there and kino?
Uncharted
Master Don Juan
I would never LJBF a chick I was interested in. What if she says "ok I agree"? You f'ed yourself.
First let me just say that this thread is ****ing epic! It makes me feel good inside when gender roles are reversed and girls have to deal with the ****.
Also, good ****ing job on replying to her texts, handled it like a pro
The only way she would sleep with him is if she is VERY VERY VERY ****ing insecure, and she needs the sex, rather than the compliance, to feel she has regained her validity.
Also, good ****ing job on replying to her texts, handled it like a pro
Actually no. She's not serving it to him on a plate, and she'll most likely NEVER sleep with him, she's just trying to use her sexuality to regain her validation. Once her ego is fed by him eating it up she'll drop him because shes proven to herself once and for all that she is hot.5string said:
The only way she would sleep with him is if she is VERY VERY VERY ****ing insecure, and she needs the sex, rather than the compliance, to feel she has regained her validity.
Uncharted
Master Don Juan
Agreed - she just needs to validate herself. I think if I ever did make a move she would blow me off then feel better about herself.
“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”
You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.
I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.
Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.
These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.
5string
Master Don Juan
Well said. Even if she refuses to give it up, he can still walk. Why not give it a shot? Nothing to lose.AlexLefty said:First let me just say that this thread is ****ing epic! It makes me feel good inside when gender roles are reversed and girls have to deal with the ****.
Also, good ****ing job on replying to her texts, handled it like a pro
Actually no. She's not serving it to him on a plate, and she'll most likely NEVER sleep with him, she's just trying to use her sexuality to regain her validation. Once her ego is fed by him eating it up she'll drop him because shes proven to herself once and for all that she is hot.
The only way she would sleep with him is if she is VERY VERY VERY ****ing insecure, and she needs the sex, rather than the compliance, to feel she has regained her validity.
Night-hawk
Master Don Juan
I have found that girls who have selected a guy as a beta hate when said perceived beta delivers a surprising blow to her ego, devalidating her sense of superiority over the guy. However, most girls have learnt that many betas will initially portray a false frame (as mentioned in chateaus latest post) and will manipulate the guy back to suplication. Women hate when betas bite at their disinterest out of a distorted belief they have a chance. However she knows she is leaving bate, and wants to just enough so he will make her feel special.
This is why women have orbiters because they know alpha guys aren't going to validate them and bite at their stupid bate, unless it is genuine and she will make damn sure he knows it is. But when she isn't getting her princess feelings fed from bad boy she will go to the beta guy for it. However, she knows she may have to rekindle the gravity to pull him back in her orbit, so she gives him little IOIs until he starts making her feel special again.
So yes. When you flip the gender roles and give it to girls as they most knowingly do to saps, and fools, and decent guys nonetheless, you will notice they may act like we have been discussing.
This is why women have orbiters because they know alpha guys aren't going to validate them and bite at their stupid bate, unless it is genuine and she will make damn sure he knows it is. But when she isn't getting her princess feelings fed from bad boy she will go to the beta guy for it. However, she knows she may have to rekindle the gravity to pull him back in her orbit, so she gives him little IOIs until he starts making her feel special again.
So yes. When you flip the gender roles and give it to girls as they most knowingly do to saps, and fools, and decent guys nonetheless, you will notice they may act like we have been discussing.
Social repercussions. If she's in the same social circle, or knows some of the same people he does, going after her could negatively impact him. Even though he has nothing to lose with HER, he has something to lose elsewhere. For ex: If he says '**** it', and then she rejects him, she now has the power to tell this to all her friends...she can tell everyone what a loser he is and how he just wants her for sex blah blah etc. etc. If they know the same people, this could directly hurt his chances with said girl.5string said:
Girls are pretty funny. Quick to reject but can't take the heat of the kitchen hehe. Make me remind of that time when a female co-worker was talking about an action movie she want it to go see. So I told her that since I want it to see the same movie we should go together. The next day, she come to me saying that she love a boy from school and because of that she doesn't wanna go with me. I told her: " i just want it to see the movie...Ok, so you thought I love you or something" she left so quick ! She never spoke to me and had that angry face don her until I quit the job.
My oneitis was slowly getting mad when I started caller her homie and my best friend... those females are crazy.
My oneitis was slowly getting mad when I started caller her homie and my best friend... those females are crazy.
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TillTheEndOfTime
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Was slowly what?badboyjmm said:
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
Slowly getting mad, saying things like: " well you are putting too much emphasis on the fact that I am you friend"TillTheEndOfTime said:
I told her whats wrong with stating the obvious ? She couldn't answer. Another time I was talking about girls that I meet with my cousin by saying: "So I was with my cousin and I meet those females friends and it was cool. So me and my friends decided to chill at this spot"
she stop me in the middle of the conversation by saying: "Well they are not really your friends since it was the first time you've meet them (they are really good friends with my cousin) are you trying to make me jealous, badboyjmm?" For what reason I ask... girl was like I dont know....
Then she said later one:" if I come to your city for the event with you, if you tell people that I am your girlfriend, people will believe it"
I replied: " you are not my girlfriend so why would I lie about this to people ? "
She thought about it for a second then said: " well I dont know but I know people would believe you"
Hot and cold behavior, I just can't stand it anymore