"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I feel like I have bad luck

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Brief background: I'm 20, in community college with no dorm, living at home in a very quiet neighborhood. (bunch of old geezers living around here)

To be honest I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. I read the bible, been friendly with everyone I meet, got a dozen numbers, either fake or boyfriend issues. I don't find myself boring and I feel I show confidence and style. I look in the mirror and find myself attractive and I work out daily. I even resorted to myspace and craigslist because I was getting no where, and still nothing.

I searched the forums for tips and applied them and never get any good leads.

I DONT give compliments to women
I DO take my time to call back, mostly because I'm actually busy working.
I make them laugh when I'm around them sometimes.
I always feel I'm the prize.

But this is not working out the way I want, am I just in a bad location? Or am I trying too hard? Am I not trying enough?
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Do you show them interest? Do you ever make a move? Most of the time women won't make a move, unless you are really good-looking. They fear rejection even more than we do. They simply accept or reject.

Try to give give out some compliments (nothing physichal or related to looks), look for IOI's, Kino-escalate and when you feel she is receptive, go for the kiss. You either get rejected or you don't. You can't win unless you're willing to play the game :D
 

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Do you socialize on campus? Are you part of any school clubs? Do you have study groups in your classes? Just doing that will expose you to more females.
 

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we all have bad luck dude, that's why we're spending our time in front of the computer reading and posting sh*t

i know what you mean though, i've been trying to get this part of my life sorted out for a while now and often feel like i'm making no progress

the thing is that now i look back at the guy i used to be and i realise why i wasn't successful and why i would never have succeeded if i was still the old me

i look at myself now and although i have come a long way i know that there is still a lot to do before i reach my goal

i think you need to get yourself a longer term perspective and find some guys who are good at this stuff and are willing to help you, when you start to talk to and compare yourself to someone who's really good, you will see that it's possible and you'll see what it is that is missing from your game

there's more to this game than you can ever imagine, there are some guys out there working at it almost every day to try and improve just a little bit at a time... compared to them i can almost guarantee that you haven't even tried a fraction has hard as they have

for some it's easy, for others (like me) it's not and we just have to keep struggling to get better a little at a time
 

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Originally posted by So Many Ways
Do you socialize on campus? Are you part of any school clubs? Do you have study groups in your classes? Just doing that will expose you to more females.
I don't know where to socialize to be honest. Club hours don't fit with my job schedule. I don't know of any study groups, though I've tried forming a few but no one is interested.

Even in class, if I talk to someone, regardless of gender, they tend to ignore me and talk with their other friends even if I'm in the middle of a convorsation.

I'll try to hit the cafeteria tomorrow, but lately it's always been groups there, just like high school.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Cmon guys, I'm on the verge of contacting a trannie to give me head. :( I'm getting no where.
 

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Originally posted by \O/
Do you show them interest? Do you ever make a move? Most of the time women won't make a move, unless you are really good-looking. They fear rejection even more than we do. They simply accept or reject.

Try to give give out some compliments (nothing physichal or related to looks), look for IOI's, Kino-escalate and when you feel she is receptive, go for the kiss. You either get rejected or you don't. You can't win unless you're willing to play the game :D
Good advice! You have to do a lot more than get a number to progress with a girl. You need to build something mental, emotional and physical between you over a period of time.

And don't fear giving compliments! They're VERY effective if done right (read my post "key to her heart..." in tips section). I have a suspicion you may be playing it too cool. Playing cool or indifferent has it's uses, but not when trying to build a connection.

I used to be in the same position. I'd play cool and hold back then suddenly spring the idea of a date upon her and scare her off. Many of these women were physically attracted to me, yet there was no rapport or connection there.

You say you're on some internet dating sites. Use them as an opportunity to practise your flirting and escalation skills.
 
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