"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I feel like I have bad luck

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Brief background: I'm 20, in community college with no dorm, living at home in a very quiet neighborhood. (bunch of old geezers living around here)

To be honest I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. I read the bible, been friendly with everyone I meet, got a dozen numbers, either fake or boyfriend issues. I don't find myself boring and I feel I show confidence and style. I look in the mirror and find myself attractive and I work out daily. I even resorted to myspace and craigslist because I was getting no where, and still nothing.

I searched the forums for tips and applied them and never get any good leads.

I DONT give compliments to women
I DO take my time to call back, mostly because I'm actually busy working.
I make them laugh when I'm around them sometimes.
I always feel I'm the prize.

But this is not working out the way I want, am I just in a bad location? Or am I trying too hard? Am I not trying enough?
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Do you show them interest? Do you ever make a move? Most of the time women won't make a move, unless you are really good-looking. They fear rejection even more than we do. They simply accept or reject.

Try to give give out some compliments (nothing physichal or related to looks), look for IOI's, Kino-escalate and when you feel she is receptive, go for the kiss. You either get rejected or you don't. You can't win unless you're willing to play the game :D
 

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Do you socialize on campus? Are you part of any school clubs? Do you have study groups in your classes? Just doing that will expose you to more females.
 

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we all have bad luck dude, that's why we're spending our time in front of the computer reading and posting sh*t

i know what you mean though, i've been trying to get this part of my life sorted out for a while now and often feel like i'm making no progress

the thing is that now i look back at the guy i used to be and i realise why i wasn't successful and why i would never have succeeded if i was still the old me

i look at myself now and although i have come a long way i know that there is still a lot to do before i reach my goal

i think you need to get yourself a longer term perspective and find some guys who are good at this stuff and are willing to help you, when you start to talk to and compare yourself to someone who's really good, you will see that it's possible and you'll see what it is that is missing from your game

there's more to this game than you can ever imagine, there are some guys out there working at it almost every day to try and improve just a little bit at a time... compared to them i can almost guarantee that you haven't even tried a fraction has hard as they have

for some it's easy, for others (like me) it's not and we just have to keep struggling to get better a little at a time
 

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Originally posted by So Many Ways
Do you socialize on campus? Are you part of any school clubs? Do you have study groups in your classes? Just doing that will expose you to more females.
I don't know where to socialize to be honest. Club hours don't fit with my job schedule. I don't know of any study groups, though I've tried forming a few but no one is interested.

Even in class, if I talk to someone, regardless of gender, they tend to ignore me and talk with their other friends even if I'm in the middle of a convorsation.

I'll try to hit the cafeteria tomorrow, but lately it's always been groups there, just like high school.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Cmon guys, I'm on the verge of contacting a trannie to give me head. :( I'm getting no where.
 

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Originally posted by \O/
Do you show them interest? Do you ever make a move? Most of the time women won't make a move, unless you are really good-looking. They fear rejection even more than we do. They simply accept or reject.

Try to give give out some compliments (nothing physichal or related to looks), look for IOI's, Kino-escalate and when you feel she is receptive, go for the kiss. You either get rejected or you don't. You can't win unless you're willing to play the game :D
Good advice! You have to do a lot more than get a number to progress with a girl. You need to build something mental, emotional and physical between you over a period of time.

And don't fear giving compliments! They're VERY effective if done right (read my post "key to her heart..." in tips section). I have a suspicion you may be playing it too cool. Playing cool or indifferent has it's uses, but not when trying to build a connection.

I used to be in the same position. I'd play cool and hold back then suddenly spring the idea of a date upon her and scare her off. Many of these women were physically attracted to me, yet there was no rapport or connection there.

You say you're on some internet dating sites. Use them as an opportunity to practise your flirting and escalation skills.
 
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